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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Tell me which of the following things you advocate:
    -End the New Deal (Social Security included)
    -Anti-labor unions
    -No welfare
    -End the Great Society (Medicare/Medicaid included)
    -No "public option" or universal health care
    -Free markets without regulations
    -Flat tax rate
    -Military interventionism (such as the Vietnam War)

    Barry Goldwater advocated all of these. If you really wouldn't mind Goldwater-style conservatism, then that would mean that you do too.




    That is not true at all. Those things mean as much to the GOP as reproductive rights and gay marriage mean do the Democratic Party. They are only two of many issues.

    You are somewhat misconstruing what I said. I'm not advocating for "Conservatism"...what I am saying is that I could stomach it better if they simply focused on fiscal conservatism and dropped the right-wing social agenda.
    Personally, I found Romney attractive until he started courting the evangelical vote and agreed to promote their agenda.
    Would I vote for a true "Conservative" ? Possibly depending on the issues facing the country, but probably not.
    Would I ever vote for what the GOP calls a "Conservative" today? Not in a million years.
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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Oh look folks this is what I expect a typical Party responce guess you missed the whole topic huh? So let me ask you and the rest off you what is more important your Loyalty to your party or Loyalty to The United States.
    So, be loyal to the US and throw your vote away on a third party candidate who can't get elected to city dog catcher?
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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are somewhat misconstruing what I said. I'm not advocating for "Conservatism"...what I am saying is that I could stomach it better if they simply focused on fiscal conservatism and dropped the right-wing social agenda.
    Personally, I found Romney attractive until he started courting the evangelical vote and agreed to promote their agenda.
    Would I vote for a true "Conservative" ? Possibly depending on the issues facing the country, but probably not.
    Would I ever vote for what the GOP calls a "Conservative" today? Not in a million years.
    So in other words you lied when you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutely. I would be all for a Goldwater conservative party. Dump the social agenda and get back to what being a conservative REALLY is.

    You don't actually give a crap what kind of conservatism the GOP follows. You oppose both kinds. You just wanted to bash the GOP and used a popular means of doing so, ignoring the fact that it's only popular among non-liberals.

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    So, be loyal to the US and throw your vote away on a third party candidate who can't get elected to city dog catcher?
    Last time I look when we say the pledge it does say I pledge allegance to The Democrat or Republican party now does it. I take it you don't know much about our Founding Fathers and there desire not to have Political Parties.

    Like I said I'm register as an American I dare you to go out and do the same Charles or you to much of Cow Towing Party Loyalist that should be Tared and Feathered like they did in Colonial Days.

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Tell me which of the following things you advocate:
    -End the New Deal (Social Security included)
    -Anti-labor unions
    -No welfare
    -End the Great Society (Medicare/Medicaid included)
    -No "public option" or universal health care
    -Free markets without regulations
    -Flat tax rate
    -Military interventionism (such as the Vietnam War)
    Not to mention his opposition to the Civil Rights act of '64.
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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    So in other words you lied when you said:




    You don't actually give a crap what kind of conservatism the GOP follows. You oppose both kinds. You just wanted to bash the GOP and used a popular means of doing so, ignoring the fact that it's only popular among non-liberals.

    No...I would be all for a Goldwater Conservative Party. I would have a lot more respect for them than I do the current GOP and would even consider supporting a candidate, depending on what the conditions of the country were and who the alternative offered was. That is something that I cannot say about the current Republican party.

    Depending on the state of the country in 2012, if things are still bad economically and Romney is the candidate and backs down on his social agenda, I would consider voting for him. I actually have a lot of respect for the man and what he was able to accomplish in his business and political life.

    That said...the GOP is probably not going to nominate him. The evangelical wing will never allow it.
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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    but... but... Glenn Beck said the teabaggers were non-partisan?

    Are you saying he's full of it?



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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Not to mention his opposition to the Civil Rights act of '64.
    I think that would actually fall under "Free markets without regulations". The idea, I'm assuming, is that businesses should be treated like individuals, and if you can't regulate which guests you invite to your home, you can't regulate which costumers businesses allow. I'm not saying I follow that line of thought, just saying that opposing the Civil Rights Act does not make one a racist, whether or not that was your intended message.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No...I would be all for a Goldwater Conservative Party. I would have a lot more respect for them than I do the current GOP and would even consider supporting a candidate, depending on what the conditions of the country were and who the alternative offered was. That is something that I cannot say about the current Republican party.

    Depending on the state of the country in 2012, if things are still bad economically and Romney is the candidate and backs down on his social agenda, I would consider voting for him. I actually have a lot of respect for the man and what he was able to accomplish in his business and political life.

    That said...the GOP is probably not going to nominate him. The evangelical wing will never allow it.

    You're just trying to justify your bogeyman image of the GOP. If Romney were nominated and denounced social conservatism, I highly doubt you'd actually vote for him. In other words, as an all-around liberal you have no say in what type of conservatism the GOP pursues and your opinion on the issue has no importance to anyone.

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Last time I look when we say the pledge it does say I pledge allegance to The Democrat or Republican party now does it. I take it you don't know much about our Founding Fathers and there desire not to have Political Parties.

    Like I said I'm register as an American I dare you to go out and do the same Charles or you to much of Cow Towing Party Loyalist that should be Tared and Feathered like they did in Colonial Days.
    Cow Towing? You need a special trailer for that.

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

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