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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We should encourage all third party participation in the system.
    Pointless. Third parties can't win. They only help or hurt the big two.

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Pointless. Third parties can't win. They only help or hurt the big two.
    It doesn't matter if you think it's pointless or not. The system must be kept free so that third parties can freely participate. The third parties are a servo mechanism by which we can control the main parties. And if a main party gets too far out of control, a healthy third party environment gives us the tools and infrastructure to replace one of the main parties. The whole "third parties can't win" crap is stupid and pointless because by playing to only two and thinking that those particular two can be the only possible ones, you ensure a system set up which is isolated from the people. Do you wonder why Obama is not much different than Bush? It's because of people saying "third parties can't win" and trying to not give them the time of day.

    Not only is it dangerous as it closes off the system from fair participation, but it's stupid as well. My vote is an endorsement of my power and sovereignty into the government. And I will cast it for the person I feel is best fit and echoes my political platform and policies the closest. Doing anything other than that will assuredly cost us the Republic.
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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So you don't really vote for Republicans as much as against Democrats.
    Pretty much. Voting for McCain was very painful. (He is essentially a Democrat who believes in a strong national defense. ) As much as I don't like where the Republican party is now, they are closer to my views than the Democrat/Socialist party. As such, I tend to vote for the Republican party. However, I would have voted for Hoffman in NY23. If the Republicans ever discover that being Democrat lite is a losing position, then they may return to the more classic fiscal conservative policies that I could get behind.

    In the mean time, the Democrats are taking this president's term to try to move the country irrevocably left. I think you are seeing the push back from the American people against both the policies and the Democrat party that is trying to implement them.

    The real interesting time will be the next 10 months leading up to the mid term elections. If the Democrats push through Cap and Trade, Insurance reform, etc., I think you will see many Democrats voted out and the Republicans and Independents who are voted in having a mandate to reverse these policies. Should make for an interesting next 3 years.

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It doesn't matter if you think it's pointless or not. The system must be kept free so that third parties can freely participate. The third parties are a servo mechanism by which we can control the main parties. And if a main party gets too far out of control, a healthy third party environment gives us the tools and infrastructure to replace one of the main parties.
    Now that is true, and I agree completely.

    The whole "third parties can't win" crap is stupid and pointless because by playing to only two and thinking that those particular two can be the only possible ones, you ensure a system set up which is isolated from the people.
    I was only saying that the idea that you can have a three-party system, or more, is wrong. It won't happen. For a third party to succeed, it needs to replace one of the big two.

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by boblzer0 View Post
    because they want freedom to succeed and don't want to be part of a permanent lower class that the left insists on creating? just a thought.
    If you want "Freedom to succeed"...you shouldn't vote for the GOP.
    And which party do you think wants a permanent lower class in order to provide cheap and ample labor for their wealthy corporate base? (Psst.....its not the Democrats).
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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If you want "Freedom to succeed"...you shouldn't vote for the GOP.
    And which party do you think wants a permanent lower class in order to provide cheap and ample labor for their wealthy corporate base? (Psst.....its not the Democrats).
    yeah we'll give you food stamps and health care now just go sit in your house and continue to vote for us. welfare programs are good at keeping poor people content so they don't feel like doing anything better.

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by boblzer0 View Post
    yeah we'll give you food stamps and health care now just go sit in your house and continue to vote for us. welfare programs are good at keeping poor people content so they don't feel like doing anything better.
    Two suggestions:

    (1) Get the Corporations to pay a living wage and perhaps there would be an incentive to get off welfare and government assistance. Right now, Republicans fight every effort to pass legislation that allows for a living wage.
    Gotta keep that cheap labor and keep people hungry.

    (2) Maybe if the Republicans weren't so big on corporate welfare, the money could be diverted into providing education and training for people to be given the opportunity to raise themselves up.
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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The third parties are a servo mechanism by which we can control the main parties.
    A servo mechanism? Can we have an example?

    And if a main party gets too far out of control, a healthy third party environment gives us the tools and infrastructure to replace one of the main parties.
    Can we have an example?

    The whole "third parties can't win" crap is stupid and pointless because by playing to only two and thinking that those particular two can be the only possible ones, you ensure a system set up which is isolated from the people.
    Stupid...even though a third party has NEVER won?

    Do you wonder why Obama is not much different than Bush? It's because of people saying "third parties can't win" and trying to not give them the time of day.
    In his war strategies, he's no different than Bush(exception the NY trials). But his domestic policies, health care, cap and tax, the 787 stimulus that didn't stimulate, the belief jobs are created by government...isn't anything like Bush, I'm starting to understand why you're confused about the issue here.

    Doing anything other than that will assuredly cost us the Republic.
    Your conscience and personal opinions ans swagger affect at the primary, state, and local levels. One yer fangs are sharpened, once the argument is over, once the platform is laid....you vote Republican. It's as simple as that. Want to change politics, change your party!
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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Two suggestions:

    (1) Get the Corporations to pay a living wage and perhaps there would be an incentive to get off welfare and government assistance. Right now, Republicans fight every effort to pass legislation that allows for a living wage.
    Gotta keep that cheap labor and keep people hungry.

    (2) Maybe if the Republicans weren't so big on corporate welfare, the money could be diverted into providing education and training for people to be given the opportunity to raise themselves up.
    1) the corporations would pass that cost on to the consumer thus accomplishing nothing.
    2) because it's impossible for poor people to raise themselves up and succeed? give me a break. if you're willing to bust ass you can make it.

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    Re: New Poll shows Tea party more popular than Republican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by boblzer0 View Post
    1) the corporations would pass that cost on to the consumer thus accomplishing nothing.
    2) because it's impossible for poor people to raise themselves up and succeed? give me a break. if you're willing to bust ass you can make it.
    1) Thats why deregulation doesn't work and why corporations have to regulated. Whoever came up with the "brilliant" idea that corporations could regulate themselves? Hmmm....oh yeah...Republicans.

    2) In the real world that simply isn't true.
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