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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Yeah, but they gonna meddle all the more in Afghanistan.


    Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn - WSJ.com
    They won't meddle in ANYONE's affairs once they are wiped off the face of the earth, guaranteed.

    I like to be sure.

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleforFreedom View Post
    Remember Liberals do not care about anyone except Liberals and the criminally insane. Remember Vietnam? They would be happy to see the horror put upon the Afghan people as long as it saves money for their Liberal causes like Entertainment, Welfare and Science. Obama being the figure head of Liberalism, must express this same mentality, it is at the core of his being.
    Yeah and look where Liberalism has landed us! Without it the United States wouldn't exist (btw).

    It pure fantasy, absolutely fiction, that a few farmers in a British colony had. What a bunch of crazies.
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

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    Yeah and look where Liberalism has landed us! Without it the United States wouldn't exist (btw).

    It pure fantasy, absolutely fiction, that a few farmers in a British colony had. What a bunch of crazies.
    Much different version of liberalism you're talking about there. The colonists who joined the patriot cause in the 18th century were, by no means, adherence to an ideology even resembling modern "liberalism."

    Sometimes I wish people wouldn't even use the word anymore, it's been made practically meaningless.
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

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    Much different version of liberalism you're talking about there. The colonists who joined the patriot cause in the 18th century were, by no means, adherence to an ideology even resembling modern "liberalism."
    Oh, we're talking about different Liberalism aren't we.

    I see no relative liberalism. I only see Liberalism in the sense of "following an ideology that has no immediate precedence"

    I agree. I think we need to supersede this "Liberal" and "Conservative" paradigm.
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Yeah and look where Liberalism has landed us! Without it the United States wouldn't exist (btw).

    It pure fantasy, absolutely fiction, that a few farmers in a British colony had. What a bunch of crazies.
    Sorry, I think the founding fathers and their followers were "Progressive Conservatives". They were people of "Logic" and "Good". Modern Liberalism is a movement of "Lies and Hatred". Just look at Liberal responses in this forum, are they not 90% "lies and hatred"?
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Just a dabble from me.

    The problem that we are facing right now in the status of al-Qa'ida and their intention is two-fold:

    1) al-Qa'ida has never been a central paradigm, there has always been two "al-Qa'ida"s. The first being Qa'ida al-Jihad, which is the international terrorist structure that is responsible for 9/11 (among other things). The second being al-Qa'ida in Afghanistan, which can only be described as foreigners, with Qa'ida al-Jihad training, fighting along-side the Taliban. This al-Qa'ida never cared about international terrorism, these were the mujahadeen fighters who, following the fall of the Soviet Union, were wanting to push North out of Afghanistan and into Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan.

    2) al-Qa'ida since the 2001 US led invasion has splintered dramatically where the only real resemblance of the al-Qa'ida-Taliban Brigade (055) is the "Shadow Army". al-Qa'ida to the Taliban (both big and little "t') are those who are foreigners (central Asian, west Asian, Arabic, and maybe some slavs thrown in the mix) fighting as allies to certain Taliban tribes.

    True, al-Qa'ida is not in Afghanistan, but the al-Qa'ida (notice, not Qa'ida al-Jihad) is going to be within the militaristic motivations of the Taliban (big "t") regime, and wish to re-extend it's power into Afghanistan.

    The momentum, at this time, appears to be pushing the Taliban (big "t") into Pakistan, but I think that is because of the Pakistani Army. They really don't need to do much except eliminate the voices of opposition within the Pakistani Army.

    An interesting conflict to watch is how the United States is going to work now that Kharzi is firmly willingly to give the Taliban partial control of Afghanistan.

    sorry, I diverted a bit.
    awesome post, friend, i learned

    i hear you on the decentralized condition of aq, bigtime

    you and i recall "aq in iraq" which existed so separately from whatever kinda central organization could ever hypothetically exist amongst a collection of cells

    aq seems, in the big picture, so amateur

    but amateurs can be so terribly deadly when all they do is target little girls and their grammas

    i wonder if obama intends to read miranda rights to whomever is captured in obama's war, prior to setting em up for lance ito's courtroom circus

    you and i recall "aq in iraq" was marginalized by the almost miraculous sunni flip in troubled anbar

    that is, aq in iraq killed so many innocents they pushed mainstream sunnis into OUR camp

    (of course, there were other inducements)

    my point---i hear you, friend

    and i learned a lot i did not know

    thanks!

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    I just have to ask just where the foundation of trust is, when the Taliban's religion, (which they adhere to probably more than any other sect in that particular religion,) preaches that is is acceptable to lie and decieve the "infidels" if it advances their causes. The very core of their ideology teaches them it is acceptable to be deceptive and murderous to people like us.

    Any relationship with the Taliban can best be built only on shifting sand. I agree with what a poster here said, earlier on. No negotiations. No nothing. They should have only one option for survival. Lay down your arms, stop the drug trade, quit harboring and supporting terrorism and archic barbarism (upon their own people as well) or die.

    The Taliban and the Taliban ideology must be erradicated. There is no place in mankind for such a dangerous cancer.

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

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    Much different version of liberalism you're talking about there. The colonists who joined the patriot cause in the 18th century were, by no means, adherence to an ideology even resembling modern "liberalism."

    Sometimes I wish people wouldn't even use the word anymore, it's been made practically meaningless.
    It is not meaningless! It should be the word we use to describe a corrupt mind. If a movement that calls itself Liberal, has distorted the word into a corrupt entity, then it should become a word used to describe a corrupt mind.

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleforFreedom View Post
    It is not meaningless! It should be the word we use to describe a corrupt mind. If a movement that calls itself Liberal, has distorted the word into a corrupt entity, then it should become a word used to describe a corrupt mind.

    Progressives are Progressives. Conservatives are Conservatives. Independent thinkers like me are Progressive Conservatives. Liberals are Liberals.
    I prefer not to parse words and just call ideologies by what they are, not what they presume to call themselves.. not that I disagree with you otherwise, as far as I can tell.

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleforFreedom View Post
    It is not meaningless! It should be the word we use to describe a corrupt mind. If a movement that calls itself Liberal, has distorted the word into a corrupt entity, then it should become a word used to describe a corrupt mind.

    Progressives are Progressives. Conservatives are Conservatives. Independent thinkers like me are Progressive Conservatives. Liberals are Liberals.
    I can agree to a point. However, that being said, I would put the neo-conservative movement, the Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Palin types in our society, on the same level of corruption, as an entity, as the liberals you speak of. Whacko is whacko no matter what team they claim they play for.

    And when you address some one as a "liberal" with all the connotations you infer, it is just about as fair, to use the same "corrupt entity" inference when you refer to someone as "conservative." Which is not fair at all.

    To me, a REAL conservative, is much like Barry Goldwater and by today's standards, according to the "conservative right" he is VERY liberal.

    To me, the form of the word "liberal" is "liberty" (or something like that. ) There is nothing wrong with liberty. I sure do love mine (God bless the USA!) Although I live my life pretty conservatively, I have no desire to deny liberty to anyone else. If one finds themself on the side of dictating morals and pushing their OWN definition of liberty, denying others their right to THEIR definition of liberty, then they join the side of the Limbaughnuts and are far worse to our nation than any tree-hugging liberal I have ever met.

    One more thing, from one progressive conservative to another, welcome to Debate Politics.
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