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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    May?

    ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    May?I never made any claims as to separation of church and state, you bigotedly surmized I may be blind because I am a Reverend......
    I never said blind. Possibly biased. Get it right.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    May?Please at least own up to your words.
    See above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    May?Uhm I asked you a question, unlike you I didn't assume anything. See how that works, try it sometime.
    Fair enough. Is it also fair to not accuse the other of assuming when you are doing so yourself? What's that Christ said about criticizing another for a fault you have yourself?


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    May?You were saying? Cleary the bigotry is all yours.
    You apparently don't know what the words means. There is no "bigotry" here. Perhaps you should look it up in the dictionary. I do note you really like the word and like to use it to respond to any criticism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Wow, such venom for a person you still have not proved does not believe in separation of church and state.... PDS anyone?
    No venom here you're the one that is doing the name calling. Do you think Christ would get flustered and lower himself to name calling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Where did she "Rant and Rave", you promised links, the FAIL once again is all yours. If I was a betting man, I might take the spread on that IQ claim...
    Good God, I can't believe someone would have to seriously ask for links on this. It's about as obvious as a cockroach on a white wedding cake.

    Sarah Palin and the Separation Between Church and State

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/01/eveningnews

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    Palin's Record On Church-State Separation - CBS News

    Cafe Talk | Talking Points Memo | Palin - Separation of Church & State or Not?

    BTW I had to limit the links. The site says I have too much and I'm limited.



    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Than you, indeed, but that's just my awesomeness, you'll get used to it.
    I'm not seeing anything impressive to get awed about. In fact your debating and comprehension skills could use some help. Perhaps you're one of those self proclaimed ministers vs. the ones with some education?

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    look another "moderate"....



    Illegal? what next, bush is hitler posters?
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    The Taliban lies as much as Faux News does.
    No Faux news lies even more. We don't hear lies from the Taliban ever single day.

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    ???



    I never said blind. Possibly biased. Get it right.

    so because I am a reverend I am possibly biased.... I guess you could also say that because I am Irish, I am possibly drunk as well...



    Fair enough. Is it also fair to not accuse the other of assuming when you are doing so yourself? What's that Christ said about criticizing another for a fault you have yourself?

    I opined that you were showing bigotry....



    You apparently don't know what the words means. There is no "bigotry" here. Perhaps you should look it up in the dictionary. I do note you really like the word and like to use it to respond to any criticism.

    Perhaps if I was black, you could say that its possible I like chicken and watermelon....



    No venom here you're the one that is doing the name calling. Do you think Christ would get flustered and lower himself to name calling?

    I think he called people swines... And I seem to be throwing pearls.


    Good God, I can't believe someone would have to seriously ask for links on this. It's about as obvious as a cockroach on a white wedding cake.

    Sarah Palin and the Separation Between Church and State

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/01/eveningnews

    /main4493077.shtml

    Palin's Record On Church-State Separation - CBS News

    Cafe Talk | Talking Points Memo | Palin - Separation of Church & State or Not?

    BTW I had to limit the links. The site says I have too much and I'm limited.




    From your link, in her own words...


    Katie Couric: Thomas Jefferson wrote about the First Amendment, building a wall of separation between church and state. Why do you think that's so important?

    Sarah Palin: His intention in expressing that was so that government did not mandate a religion on people. And Thomas Jefferson also said never underestimate the wisdom of the people. And the wisdom of the people, I think in this issue is that people have the right and the ability and the desire to express their own religious views, be it a very personal level, which is why I choose to express my faith, or in a more public forum.
    And the wisdom of the people, thankfully, engrained in the foundation of our country, is so extremely important. And Thomas Jefferson wanted to protect that.


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    the failure once again my friend is all yours.


    I'm not seeing anything impressive to get awed about. In fact your debating and comprehension skills could use some help. Perhaps you're one of those self proclaimed ministers vs. the ones with some education?


    If you can't see it, maybe its that IQ point spread we have been discussing. My greatness is absolute, just ask me.
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    just for fyi, here's what went down on the sunday talks today which were largely (in the case of nbc, entirely) devoted to afghanistan

    stephy interviewed hillary and gates, then feingold, then roundtabled with will, katrina vanden heuvel, cfr (council foreign relations prez peter haas) and peggy noonan

    cnn's king talked to joe johns, ed henry and jessica somebody

    gregory did hillary and gates, mccain, then confabbed with woodward and thomas friedman

    here's the general gists and tones:

    1. stephy and gregory were incredibly soft on the secretaries

    2. they take an extremist down-the-road approach to the region (they're right)

    3. feingold on abc was by far the hardest, he wants out

    4. cnn was critical, underlines to king's discussions included, "taliban: you have the clocks, we have the time," "afghanistan speech falls flat," "obama administration's mixed message," "confusing language on exit strategy"

    5. i believe a consensus is forming that the admin's terminology is shifting---from "exit" to "conditions based" to "transition"

    6. the pundits were, like feingold, much harder than the hosts

    7. friedman was hot, all 4 of stephy's guests were highly skeptical

    8. the admin is "not on the same page"

    9. AL QAEDA IS IN PAKISTAN, NOT AFGHANISTAN

    10. we've already been largely successful in driving aq OUT of afghanistan

    11. the WILL of the pakistanis therefore is now the keystone

    12. obama's recently announced strategy really screws pakistan which, unlike afghanistan, has nukes
    Last edited by The Prof; 12-06-09 at 01:59 PM.

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    EnigmaO01,


    Where did you go? You promised me proof!


    I accept your concession.
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    EnigmaO01,


    Where did you go? You promised me proof!


    I accept your concession.
    Yeah, and not a word on my Separation of Church and State post.

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    9. AL QAEDA IS IN PAKISTAN, NOT AFGHANISTAN

    10. we've already been largely successful in driving aq OUT of afghanistan

    11. the WILL of the pakistanis therefore is now the keystone

    12. obama's recently announced strategy really screws pakistan which, unlike afghanistan, has nukes
    Just a dabble from me.

    The problem that we are facing right now in the status of al-Qa'ida and their intention is two-fold:

    1) al-Qa'ida has never been a central paradigm, there has always been two "al-Qa'ida"s. The first being Qa'ida al-Jihad, which is the international terrorist structure that is responsible for 9/11 (among other things). The second being al-Qa'ida in Afghanistan, which can only be described as foreigners, with Qa'ida al-Jihad training, fighting along-side the Taliban. This al-Qa'ida never cared about international terrorism, these were the mujahadeen fighters who, following the fall of the Soviet Union, were wanting to push North out of Afghanistan and into Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan.

    2) al-Qa'ida since the 2001 US led invasion has splintered dramatically where the only real resemblance of the al-Qa'ida-Taliban Brigade (055) is the "Shadow Army". al-Qa'ida to the Taliban (both big and little "t') are those who are foreigners (central Asian, west Asian, Arabic, and maybe some slavs thrown in the mix) fighting as allies to certain Taliban tribes.

    True, al-Qa'ida is not in Afghanistan, but the al-Qa'ida (notice, not Qa'ida al-Jihad) is going to be within the militaristic motivations of the Taliban (big "t") regime, and wish to re-extend it's power into Afghanistan.

    The momentum, at this time, appears to be pushing the Taliban (big "t") into Pakistan, but I think that is because of the Pakistani Army. They really don't need to do much except eliminate the voices of opposition within the Pakistani Army.

    An interesting conflict to watch is how the United States is going to work now that Kharzi is firmly willingly to give the Taliban partial control of Afghanistan.

    sorry, I diverted a bit.
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    So you're big into nation building in the mold of the U.S. in some sheethole half way acroos the world, costing billions even if it meant an illegal invasion that kills thousands of innocent people, and cost the blood of several thousand good decent American soliders? Oh don't forget the invasion was based on terrible intell in the least or possibly even lies. Our invasion created a vacuum that has made Iran the key player in the region with nuclear ambitions. How's that working out for us?

    I hate to break this to you but you can't force democracy down the throats of people. They have to earn it themselves like we did in the American Revolution. The so called stability you see in Iraq is very fragile and could come down like a house of cards.
    Blah-blah-blah-blah. How about you stop pretending to be a damned mind-reader and simply address the words I've written?

    Where have I said I supported nation-building?

    Where have I said I supported invading Iraq?

    Oh, I haven't? Then why are you making such stupid assumptions?

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Of course not they didn't directly attack us before they just facilitated Al Qaeda's attacks.

    The Taliban and Al Qaeda are a bunch of retards or after hearing Obama lay out his cut and run plan they'd have done not one damn thing and pretended they gave up until Obama pulls out the troops. Then could just walk in almost unopposed and take up where they left off, at being the most repressive, murderous, intolerant, radical, fundamental misfits since Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge regime. They made Eddi Amin and Saddam Hussein look like Sunday School teachers.

    I was very critical of the dumb ass move of Obama touting his plans the way he did, but I failed to take into account the Mentally challenged nature of the Islamo Fascists.
    Remember Liberals do not care about anyone except Liberals and the criminally insane. Remember Vietnam? They would be happy to see the horror put upon the Afghan people as long as it saves money for their Liberal causes like Entertainment, Welfare and Science. Obama being the figure head of Liberalism, must express this same mentality, it is at the core of his being.
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