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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Wait! You mean he is not a moderate?? Why, that's an enigma...



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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    except, maybe, a little observation---for people who are sposed to be so fundamentally faith driven, the folks you describe sure are practical
    You're absolutely correct about that.
    The madrassas in Pakistan (which have become a problem, as they are from the Jammat-i-Islami variety; this variety was establish by Sayyid Maududi who met and shared views with Qutb on a number of occasions. They first met during a Hajj, if I'm not mistaken ) actually do provide literacy, a school opportunity in Pakistan and F.A.T.A where the numbers are around 50% (depending on which part you're talking about) literacy.
    The Taliban and A.Q. option opens doors to Pakistani/Afghan refugees and poor people who literally have nothing. They get indoctrinated to these anti-Western views because they need someone to blame for all the hardships that have occurred. The A.Q. and Taliban (I cannot say for certain, because I just don't think the information is out there, yet) provide extremely well for the families of their soldiers. These groups are poor. The people who serve them are poor.

    Even the concept of killing innocent is justified in their eyes. According to Qutb, those who participate in Democracy (civilians) are just as guilty of the autocracy as the state is. So, it turned into the view of al-Zawhiri's Egyptian Islamic Jihad to fight them too. Their initial purpose (post soviet defeat) was to beat the tar out of people until they won legitimacy. They literally thought there was going to be a mass uprising in favor of them.

    i'd be very interested to know how you acquired such depth here, but i wouldn't want to pry
    Thank you for your kind words. I am highly interested on these topics, and I collect tadbits here and there. Much of it is just my interpretation of the material.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    oh, and...

    it appears to me that

    1. we've really put pakistan in a spot
    Pakistan is undeniably guilty of assisting Taliban and A.Q. The ISI is just as problematic than the Taliban. Some of the army generals are pro-taliban. We really lost a strong ally whenever Benazir Bhutto was assassinated by a combination of A.Q., ISI, and the Pakistani military.

    Further I highly recommend Benazir Bhutto's book

    If Bhutto's own life reads like a Greek tragedy, she was nonetheless a very modern politician, and the book she has written is part manifesto, part spin job, part selective history and part term-paper analysis. It shows Bhutto in the many guises the public in both the West and her native Pakistan came to know: an Oxford-educated debate champion, adept at invoking Spengler and T. S. Eliot to make her points; a savvy and self-dramatizing campaigner, adroit at charming members of the Washington power elite as well as the disenfranchised poor in Pakistan, whom she pledged to represent; a determined heir to her father's political legacy, who found duty turning over "years of pain, suffering, sacrifice and separation" into "an all consuming passion."
    2. the ulitmate success of obama's plan for obama's war is ENTIRELY DEPENDENT on both the will and the ability of zardari to do some of the heaviest lifting

    he's bhutto's widower, if i recall
    He is. He's corrupt. He's also half the leader Bhutto was. Not to mention he is weak, and the civilian population is suffering for it.


    3. dick durbin, whip, illinois ear of obama, when pressed on fns today about his support or not of obama's afghan plan, answered---i understand the president's position, i'm skeptical that 30K troops will make a difference

    but you will fund it, chris wallace (60 minutes mike's son) premised

    durbin---well, i'm gonna meet with the president...

    me: it will be funded, with republican support, but there will be a lot of cya grousing from dupes like durbin
    the Partisan politics we've been hearing about the troop surge is always going to be exaggerated. It was and is not realistic to provide the troop amount to do in Afghanistan what was done in Iraq (estimated 600,000 troop total).
    But you have to realize that alot of the troops we have in Afghanistan and will be sending to Afghanistan have played in the sand before (Iraq). Our military is the strongest in the world. We had growing pains with Iraq, as it was a theater we both forgot and weren't used to. We know how to fight insurgencies. We have a damn good military staff McChrystal is a brilliant man. Mehsuds better run.
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    i'm afraid they will run

    to pakistan

    where the nukes are

    according to tons of talk around the sunday circuit, they pretty much already have

    i remember mr bhutto's corruption, he had to step down, he had to leave the country, he rules thru his son (i may be mistaken, my memory)

    perhaps you recall during the campaign, way back, the dem primaries:

    biden was running against his future boss, one of the early debates

    ms hillary of course was there in the center

    but i recall specifically mr biden calling out young barry for his pledge to go unilaterally into pakistan if need be

    i also very certainly remember how biden, longtime chair of foreign relations, always passed himself off as particular pakistan expert

    for at least ten years, affable, gaffable biden was sole voice in the land warning that pakistan is by far the most politically unstable of the nuked nations

    moving into pakistan to root out jihadists is just too potentially destabilizing to islamabad

    at least, that's been a cornerstone of responsible united states foreign policy since forever

    my point---obama has pledged pretty hard that he'd go into pakistan "if opportunity presented bin laden" (that's how old is this rhetoric)

    everyone's pretty much forgotten

    just like obama's super hi priority personal diplomacy with ahmedinejad, centerpiece of the president's campaign

    i just feel the real problem is not as much in afghanistan (anymore) tho obama is

    i don't know, i certainly defer to you, but i'd worry greatly about what an obamite movement into pakistan might do to its domestic situation

    you're blowing me away, by the way
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    I won't go into great detail, but obviously the biggest unnerving uncertainty is that Usama bin Laden acquires any form of nuclear material. al Qa'ida al-Jihad with any form of HEU or HEP (Uranium or Plutonium) will make the Cold War look like we were playing patty-cake with the Soviet Union; no doubt that martial law would take effect almost immediately in almost every major US city, probably every major city in the world.

    The Pakistani nuclear stockpile is heavily guarded by 30,000 of Pakistan's most elite troops (the Pakistani's aren't just worried about al Qa'ida taking from it, but also sabotage from India).

    Unless there are entire battalions of rogue Pakistani military personnel, then we shouldn't worry about Jihadists acquiring a nuclear bomb or missile. However, there are other scenarios that could make the situation difficult. The Jihadists don't necessarily need to even have possession of the materials, they just need to get it to reach critical mass.

    The biggest threat wouldn't be nuclear, wouldn't chemical, it would be biological weapons. However, I do not think the organization is well enough to be worrying about anything other than getting blown to miniature Jihadis
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    "Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn'

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Come on!

    What if they pinky swear?
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Blah-blah-blah-blah. How about you stop pretending to be a damned mind-reader and simply address the words I've written?

    Where have I said I supported nation-building?

    Where have I said I supported invading Iraq?
    When you make the following two statements you are endorsing nation building and you endorsed the invasion of Iraq. You can deny it all you want but it's right there for all to see. No need to a be a mind reader.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    A functional democracy that is friendly toward civilized nations.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Also, we're winning in Iraq. It will be a model country within the next decade.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Oh, I haven't? Then why are you making such stupid assumptions?
    BTW why the abusive language? Why so easily provoked? Do I make you feel inadequate?
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Run EnigmaO01 Run!
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Who said anything about it being legal under the charter of the UN? It does not apply.
    Of course not.

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

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    Run EnigmaO01 Run!
    I guess you can't counter me so you now you're playing grade schooler.

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

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    I guess you can't counter me so you now you're playing grade schooler.



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