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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    "Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn'

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    EnigmaO01,


    Where did you go? You promised me proof!


    I accept your concession.
    You wish. I have a life. I don't spend all day on the computer.

    You responded just the way I expected. Your responses were very lacking and you did the usual cop out in attacking sources. Kind of disappointing really.

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    al-Qa'ida in Iraq (well now they've shifted toward Syria to regroup) is actually more like Qa'ida al-Jihad in Iraq (the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, side of the organization). It was set up by Usama and al-Zawahiri to use the thug known as Zarqawi to collapse on the US troops-- It was an intelligent move because it was able to absorb the radical elements of the Sunni insurgency who were absolutely pissed at the US invasion; little did Usama know US forces are much stronger and much more likeable than the thug, Zarqawi (may he burn in hell).

    A.Q. in Iraq was formerly known as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (the group of "unity/oneness" in Jihad -- roughly). This is interesting because it reminds me of "Muwahiddun" which means "Unity/Monotheism" and is a euphemism for Wahabism.



    For a while, after the Soviet-Union's loss in Afghanistan, the A.Q. and E.I.J elements tried to dethrone the autocratic regimes in the Middle East (Algeria, is a good study of this, and funny because they speak French). Yet they failed, and they failed miserably. They didn't take into consideration that the chaos they would cause by killing innocent would unite the alienated (neither radical, nor stately) against them.
    Following their failure in the Middle-East the A.Q. E.I.J unity took place (to form al-Qa'ida al-Jihad, or Qa'ida al-Jihad) and realized that they could not unite Sunni Muslims without a P.R. person. Then they changed their policy from the "near enemy" (autocracies in the Middle-East) to "far enemies" (the United States and the Western paradigm).
    It was much easier for the network to create these "cells" throughout the Middle-East when their target was an evil across the seas. Just have to find the youthful who are influenced by the evils they've seen come from United States' influence on the M.E. (whether it's true or not is another issue).



    You'll get nowhere with a policy of killing innocents. That is why Qa'ida al-Jihad will fail wherever it is.



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    Grouping the "Taliban" into one kettle is a horrible mistake. The Taliban elements that plowed into Afghanistan in 1997ish, basically Mullah Umar, was possessed by a horrible lie from Bin-Ladens lips, this lie was that he could run a Government.
    The horrendous decrees that came from the Taliban regime, as rulers of Afghanistan, were because they had very little capability to actually rule and had to find every avenue to keep their rule-- They banned kite-flying and Tennis for Christ's sake. Their foreign policy was weak. It's of interest to note that when the Umar took power in Afghanistan he started to apply treatment to the women in Afghanistan, probably because they were non-Pashtuns, that doesn't resemble anything like his home (or Pashtun areas of Afghanistan, including the South)
    Mullah Umar is, more than likely, on the move and I have little trust in sources that say he is still in the F.A.T.A. I think that his enclave of Taliban, who trusted the foreigners (al-Qa'ida) and who brought suffering to the taliban and the Taliban are beginning to lose influence within the FATA.

    A group like Hizb'Allah was able to provoke a stronger Nation-State and get away with it (as far as public support is concerned) because they have the resources to do it. Mullah Umar could not provide the infrastructure to the ailing tribal elements within FATA and on the fringes of both Afghanistan and Pakistan.



    It's hard to pin-point what the ideology is.
    wow, not only do you know what you're talking about, you explain it very well

    much obliged!

    i understood every word and (naturally) learned tons

    i have nothing to add, i'm just listening

    except, maybe, a little observation---for people who are sposed to be so fundamentally faith driven, the folks you describe sure are practical

    i'd be very interested to know how you acquired such depth here, but i wouldn't want to pry

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    oh, and...

    it appears to me that

    1. we've really put pakistan in a spot

    2. the ulitmate success of obama's plan for obama's war is ENTIRELY DEPENDENT on both the will and the ability of zardari to do some of the heaviest lifting

    he's bhutto's widower, if i recall

    finally

    3. dick durbin, whip, illinois ear of obama, when pressed on fns today about his support or not of obama's afghan plan, answered---i understand the president's position, i'm skeptical that 30K troops will make a difference

    but you will fund it, chris wallace (60 minutes mike's son) premised

    durbin---well, i'm gonna meet with the president...

    me: it will be funded, with republican support, but there will be a lot of cya grousing from dupes like durbin

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The invasion wasn't illegal. Prove it if you feel otherwise.
    Are you serious? This is common knowledge to anyone that kept up with the situation.

    The invasion of a nation can only be legal under the charter of the UN if the invasion had been sanctioned by a vote of the UN Security Council. That didn't happen since the U.S. and Great Britian withdrew their resolution on May 17, 2003. This was done because they knew the majority of members would not vote for it.

    Got it?

    And furthermore Bush could have waited until verification that there were no WMD's but he chose not to. I want my war! I want my war!

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Are you serious? This is common knowledge to anyone that kept up with the situation.

    The invasion of a nation can only be legal under the charter of the UN if the invasion had been sanctioned by a vote of the UN Security Council. That didn't happen since the U.S. and Great Britian withdrew their resolution on May 17, 2003. This was done because they knew the majority of members would not vote for it.

    Got it?

    And furthermore Bush could have waited until verification that there were no WMD's but he chose not to. I want my war! I want my war!
    Who said anything about it being legal under the charter of the UN? It does not apply.

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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    You wish. I have a life. I don't spend all day on the computer.

    Bro, I was billing $250 an hour all morning. yeah I'm the "loser"


    You responded just the way I expected. Your responses were very lacking and you did the usual cop out in attacking sources. Kind of disappointing really.

    Uhm FAIL as usual, in less than 50 posts you played all your cards....I posted Palin in her own words and you tucked tail, "moderate"
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Are you serious? This is common knowledge to anyone that kept up with the situation.

    The invasion of a nation can only be legal under the charter of the UN if the invasion had been sanctioned by a vote of the UN Security Council. That didn't happen since the U.S. and Great Britian withdrew their resolution on May 17, 2003. This was done because they knew the majority of members would not vote for it.

    Got it?

    And furthermore Bush could have waited until verification that there were no WMD's but he chose not to. I want my war! I want my war!



    uhm the US is not under any authority of the UN.... Your far left failure is all yours....
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    Re: Taliban Says It Won't Meddle in West if Troops Are Withdrawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Bro, I was billing $250 an hour all morning. yeah I'm the "loser"





    Uhm FAIL as usual, in less than 50 posts you played all your cards....I posted Palin in her own words and you tucked tail, "moderate"
    Wait! You mean he is not a moderate?? Why, that's an enigma...

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