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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Don't insult her by comparing her to Huckabee

    And this is what she actually said.

    Mrs Palin said: "No one person has all the right answers. It takes a united nation, and it does take godly counsel, and it takes prayer and answers to prayer - and a collective humble heart of a nation seeking God's hand of protection and his blessings of prosperity.

    "I think if we can get back to that, our country will be a safer, more prosperous and healthier nation."


    That does NOT translate to what the author is trying to spoon feed you.

    Don't be a sucker.


    BTW, Roosevelt, one of the left's biggest heroes said this

    My Fellow Americans:

    Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to pass with success thus far.

    And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in prayer:

    Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.

    Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith.

    They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard. For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our sons will triumph.

    They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest -- until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war.

    For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and goodwill among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle, for their return to the haven of home.

    Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them, Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom.

    And for us at home -- fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters, and brothers of brave men overseas, whose thoughts and prayers are ever with them -- help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.

    Many people have urged that I call the nation into a single day of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent, let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts.

    Give us strength, too -- strength in our daily tasks, to redouble the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of our armed forces.

    And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons wheresoever they may be.

    And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee; faith in our sons; faith in each other; faith in our united crusade. Let not the keeness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment -- let not these deter us in our unconquerable purpose.

    With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogances. Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister nations into a world unity that will spell a sure peace -- a peace invulnerable to the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil.

    Thy will be done, Almighty God.

    Amen.

    Franklin D. Roosevelt - June 6, 1944


    It is NOT out of the mainstream for our nation to have deeply religious presidents.

    Stop trying to rewrite the history of this nation by spitting on any political figure who professes their religious feelings.

    I am not trying to rewrite the history of our nation, I was trying to find the transcripts. I have looked in to a lot of things about our founding father ectt. Thank you for the actual transcripts ^^.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    No he wasn't most of them were deist. I'd rather not live in a theocracy, thanks!


    How does the singular as in George Washington suddenly become 'them' as in plural?


    No she wants it to be a theocracy
    I doubt she intended for it to be seen as a desire for a theocracy, in any case this would be anti constitutional.
    It is more likely she is muddling theocracy with morally responsible society.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    No he wasn't most of them were deist. I'd rather not live in a theocracy, thanks!





    No she wants it to be a theocracy
    No, she doesn't. She just remembers what the USA USED to be like and wants to return to it. Aside from segregation and anti-Gay laws which Palin does not advocate, what was wrong with the social and political climate in the USA prior to 1965?

    A return to God would not be a theocracy.

    Chizzill.

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Don't insult her by comparing her to Huckabee

    And this is what she actually said.

    Mrs Palin said: "No one person has all the right answers. It takes a united nation, and it does take godly counsel, and it takes prayer and answers to prayer - and a collective humble heart of a nation seeking God's hand of protection and his blessings of prosperity.

    "I think if we can get back to that, our country will be a safer, more prosperous and healthier nation."


    That does NOT translate to what the author is trying to spoon feed you.

    Don't be a sucker.


    BTW, Roosevelt, one of the left's biggest heroes said this

    My Fellow Americans:

    Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to pass with success thus far.

    And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in prayer:

    [SNIP]

    Thy will be done, Almighty God.

    Amen.

    Franklin D. Roosevelt - June 6, 1944


    It is NOT out of the mainstream for our nation to have deeply religious presidents.

    Stop trying to rewrite the history of this nation by spitting on any political figure who professes their religious feelings.
    Amen indeed, texmaster!

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    No, she doesn't. She just remembers what the USA USED to be like and wants to return to it. Aside from segregation and anti-Gay laws which Palin does not advocate, what was wrong with the social and political climate in the USA prior to 1965?

    A return to God would not be a theocracy.

    Chizzill.
    What exactly was so great about the USA prior to 1965 compared to now?
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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    No, she doesn't. She just remembers what the USA USED to be like and wants to return to it. Aside from segregation and anti-Gay laws which Palin does not advocate, what was wrong with the social and political climate in the USA prior to 1965?

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    Not much was wrong considering people were fighting against discrimination.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    "touched by God" because the nation's early leaders dedicated the country to God. Read this part of the paper. When they made it IN to a SECULAR NATION and not a CHRISTIAN NATION. My thoughts are based on this quote, and does not reflect poorly on me.
    The claim that the United States is a secular nation is dubious at best.

    The framers wanted a secular Government to preserve religious liberty, not lead people away from it.

    IMO - if anything, the framers wanted their secular government to interfere in no way with the common moral order - a Judeo-Christian moral order they had inherited & believed that the Constitution alone was not enough to preserve order & tranquility.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    No, she doesn't. She just remembers what the USA USED to be like and wants to return to it. Aside from segregation and anti-Gay laws which Palin does not advocate, what was wrong with the social and political climate in the USA prior to 1965?

    A return to God would not be a theocracy.

    Chizzill.
    You mean a depression, oppressive society, snake oil medicine, two world wars, and a presidential assassination? You want to return to that?

    Society cannot be returned to anything. We are a progressive people that can only be molded into the future, not the past. While still being pro society we have changed to put individualism above society when it comes to personal & day to day matters. That is what happens when the society becomes to big and overwhelming for a person to follow. The growth in populace took away the personalization.
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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by Yert Dweller View Post
    George Washington was a fundamentalist.
    He was a man of faith and not in ANY way comparable to today's Christian Fundamentalists which are essentially a splinter group of Baptists and Protestants--all splinter groups of the Catholic Church.

    Fundamentalists hate being reminded who gave them the bible. (which is a collection of books and letters and not ONE book) That would be the Catholics.

    Fundamentalists think the Catholic Church is Pagan. Yet the married ones all where those Pagan wedding bands.

    You could fill the Astrodome with everything Fundamentalists DON'T know about religious history and Christianity.

    Washington was a pragmatist who whole-heartedly supported separation of church on state.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    The claim that the United States is a secular nation is dubious at best.
    Do you understand the difference between a Nation and a State?

    The U.S. is a multi-cultural Nation within a secular state. The first amendment and all that.

    The framers wanted a secular Government to preserve religious liberty, not lead people away from it.
    How is it that you understand that but can't grasp the bigger concept...???

    IMO - if anything, the framers wanted their secular government to interfere in no way with the common moral order - a Judeo-Christian moral order they had inherited & believed that the Constitution alone was not enough to preserve order & tranquility.
    The separation doctrine works both ways... Keeping the secular state out of religion, but also keeping the state safe from religious zealots who want to dictate say... the definition of marriage.

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