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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    haha Good catch, consider it edited. However, you still have yet to prove (that means other than just saying it or using talking points) that decorations = law. Give us some links or something man. Back up your talk.
    You guys just need stuff repeated four or five times, don't you?

    You don't even bother to respond, if you're reading it at all. You just reflexively say "you've proven nothing" or "you haven't explained."

    It's okay, I have small children, so I understand.

    I don't need a link to explain to you that everything a government does is authorized by a law somewhere. Every penny spent, every manager hired, every acre of public land bought, every decoration put up was the result of a law either declaring it, or giving someone else the power to do it.

    It's called the rule of law.

    If you want a link so bad, here:

    What is the Rule of Law?

    In any event, hanging your hat on the word "law" is silly. It's obvious the First Amendment would be a joke if governments could simply circumvent it by saying their actions weren't really "laws." You're opening it up to an equally absurd claim that the government can do all kinds of things to restrict freedom of religious practice, speech, etc.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Everything the government does, it has done because the People have authorized it. Nothing you have says why the People can't put up religious displays of their choosing on their public land. It's not law. Acts of Congress, even acts of the Judiciary these days (sadly) can be laws. The People choosing to put up religious displays of their choosing on their public land is not. It's the freedom of the community, of the individuals comprising that community, to use their property and money as they see fit. And so long as they do not infringe upon the rights of others, there's nothing the government can rightfully do about it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Everything the government does, it has done because the People have authorized it. Nothing you have says why the People can't put up religious displays of their choosing on their public land. It's not law. Acts of Congress, even acts of the Judiciary these days (sadly) can be laws. The People choosing to put up religious displays of their choosing on their public land is not. It's the freedom of the community, of the individuals comprising that community, to use their property and money as they see fit. And so long as they do not infringe upon the rights of others, there's nothing the government can rightfully do about it.
    well that would work if people used there money properly that is why we need to control how people spend there money so it is used properly.
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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by acidrain! View Post
    well that would work if people used there money properly that is why we need to control how people spend there money so it is used properly.
    I'm not sure I follow. People can use their money as they see fit. If they use it irresponsibly, that's their business too. They are, of course, accountable for the repercussions there of; but otherwise they are free to do as they like; with the aforementioned limitation in that they may not infringe upon the rights of others.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not sure I follow. People can use their money as they see fit. If they use it irresponsibly, that's their business too. They are, of course, accountable for the repercussions there of; but otherwise they are free to do as they like; with the aforementioned limitation in that they may not infringe upon the rights of others.
    some people believe that there free to do everything they want but people use it irresponsibly and say they can do it because its there money that is why the government should control some of the things people do
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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You guys just need stuff repeated four or five times, don't you?
    Well you certainly are good at repeating yourself...

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You don't even bother to respond, if you're reading it at all. You just reflexively say "you've proven nothing" or "you haven't explained."
    I respond with "you haven't explained anything" because you haven't. You use talking points. Do you know what talking points are?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's okay, I have small children, so I understand.
    Lucky them...

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I don't need a link to explain to you that everything a government does is authorized by a law somewhere.
    So the Postmaster at a Post Office, who of his own volition puts up Christmas decorations is actually a puppet of the Federal Government bent on pushing their Christian Agenda, which is clearly outlined in the many laws regulating, nay FORCING, him to do so?! MY GOD! HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO BLIND!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Every penny spent, every manager hired, every acre of public land bought, every decoration put up was the result of a law either declaring it, or giving someone else the power to do it.
    There is no "Make **** look festive" law, but I could be wrong...once again, care to PROVE it? I know you hate to prove what you're saying, but I could be wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's called the rule of law.

    If you want a link so bad, here:

    What is the Rule of Law?
    HOORAY! A LINK! TO THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA NO LESS! GO HAWKEYES!! Oh wait, this is a research paper done by two students...alright, fair enough, they're Hawkeyes so I'll give it a go!

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    In any event, hanging your hat on the word "law" is silly. It's obvious the First Amendment would be a joke if governments could simply circumvent it by saying their actions weren't really "laws." You're opening it up to an equally absurd claim that the government can do all kinds of things to restrict freedom of religious practice, speech, etc.
    Hanging your hat on this notion that these lawn decorations are somehow legislated onto the front lawn is silly.


    On to the RULE OF LAW! Paper by By Helen Yu and Alison Guernsey

    The rule of law does not have a precise definition, and its meaning can vary between different nations and legal traditions. Generally, however, it can be understood as a legal-political regime under which the law restrains the government by promoting certain liberties and creating order and predictability regarding how a country functions. In the most basic sense, the rule of law is a system that attempts to protect the rights of citizens from arbitrary and abusive use of government power.
    Right off the bat, we're going to have some issues I can tell...No precise definition? well you must love that since you don't like dictionaries or words with concrete definitions. From what they've mentioned in this paragraph the "Rule of Law", doesn't have any application to LAWN DECORATIONS...

    A. Elements of the Rule of Law

    In his book The Morality of Law, American legal scholar Lon Fuller identified eight elements of law which have been recognized as necessary for a society aspiring to institute the rule of law. Fuller stated the following:
    OK now we're on to a legal scholar talking about Morality of Law? Alright...I'll run with that...Here we go:

    1. Laws must exist and those laws should be obeyed by all, including government officials.
    Ok, so where does this apply to lawn decorations being put up? Is it the fact that the law that requires they be put up doesn't exist? or that not everyone obeys it?

    2. Laws must be published.
    Excellent, then you should be able to provide me with the laws to which you are referring, Misterman.

    3. Laws must be prospective in nature so that the effect of the law may only take place after the law has been passed. For example, the court cannot convict a person of a crime committed before a criminal statute prohibiting the conduct was passed.
    Still not seeing a relation to decorations...

    4. Laws should be written with reasonable clarity to avoid unfair enforcement.
    Well clearly if ever such a law was written about these lawn decorations, it sure as hell isn't written clear enough!

    5. Law must avoid contradictions.

    6. Law must not command the impossible.
    Alright, well if the law exists, I can agree with this.

    7. Law must stay constant through time to allow the formalization of rules; however, law also must allow for timely revision when the underlying social and political circumstances have changed.
    Once again, if the law exists, I'm sure there was enough time to put up/take down said lawn ornaments.

    8. Official action should be consistent with the declared rule.
    Once again, again, if the law exists, Then let's be consistent with it!

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Therein lies one of the reasons the left is so afraid of Sarah Palin. She wants to get back to the fundamentals of God and how this nation was founded, something the progressive left wants nothing to do with.

    Wants a nation to rededicate itself to God? Stop her now! She is dangerous!!!!!!!
    Because the history of the United States is not entirely dedicated to the servitude of God and His will, even during its founding. Many were Deists, many were dedicated servants of God, but what was dangerous was instituting too many litmus tests in Government.

    Furthermore, Sarah Palin represents little of the nation's beginning policies, and perhaps necessarily so. I'm not one who is chained to the attitudes and policies of the 18th and early 19th centuries, but it is ridiculous to be so promoting of her politics as a return to the Founding ideals.
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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    This is beyond hilarious. You actually think "respecting" is about personal opinions or something.
    Uh, that's what you said, not me. Those were your words in your post, not me in mine.

    From the First Amendment:

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

    It means "with respect to" as in referring or relating to. Not respecting as in respect vs. disrespect.
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

    I sometimes wonder why my thought process is so strange, that I would liken the first amendm- oh ****, Winters Grasp is about to start, brb....

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by acidrain! View Post
    well that would work if people used there money properly that is why we need to control how people spend there money so it is used properly.
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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Uh, that's what you said, not me. Those were your words in your post, not me in mine.
    Oh, man. They aren't my words - they are from the First Amendment. I quoted it in my reply.

    Never mind. Just never mind.
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