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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    You can recognize and respect all you want so long as there is no LAW doing so. Decorations do not equal a law nor do they equal the final opinion or actions of the Federal Government.
    Decorations do equal a law.

    Everything the government does is authorized by law one way or the other. It's called the "rule of law."

    The public land was bought with a law. The people managing it do so with authorization of a law. The money to buy the decorations were authorized with a law. Don't get hung up on that word "law."

    You don't have to believe me. Go read the case law. Oops, there's that word again.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Awesomer View Post
    I would like to express my deep hatred of people of the troll persuasion. I would also like to assert my high level of concurrence in the matter at present.
    Benefit of the doubt...is yours Captain Awesomer. For now.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So you'll put up with everything just short of that, huh?

    How about a gigantic golden mosque built with taxpayer funds in the middle of the town square, with a big sign saying "Public Town Mosque, Allah is Great"? And a law requiring women to wear burkas? Nothing in there about forcing to recognize any god.

    (But "recognize their god" is awful close to "respecting and establishment of religion." Interesting choice of words, when you could has simply said "worship.")
    Requiring people to wear clothing is over the line. Simply erecting a symbol is ok. They cannot infringe upon my rights; life, liberty, and property. Other than that, it's fair game.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Oooh, was that a clever jab at my posts? You're forgetting there's a little substance behind me and my posts, and some of these other trolls (And mindless idiots) are just shells.
    Thank you indeed. That is truly one of the most singular statements I have seen in my many years.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Requiring people to wear clothing is over the line. Simply erecting a symbol is ok. They cannot infringe upon my rights; life, liberty, and property. Other than that, it's fair game.
    i think the goverment should choose what clothes we wear to much freedom im getting irriatated with obama at the moment
    i am acidrain! and i approve of this message

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

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    I see no qualitative distinction between the two. This is where we'll just have to fundamentally interpret it different. I personally would rather err on the side of limiting the federal government's power to intervene as there is no force involved.
    "Intervene"? In what? This is the government's actions we're talking about in the first place.

    The federal issue is a non-issue. The First Amendment binds the states too.

    As mentioned before, if force is involved, it is another matter.

    When they try to enact any law that forces me to worship (or prohibits me from doing so). Putting up symbols is a local matter, not a constitutional one IMO, for the reasons I already stated.
    By that standard, I could set up a complete theocracy, with Imams running the government and making the laws, and as long as you weren't "forced" to worship anything, it would be constitutional.

    Of course. I was just using hyperbole...

    and thank you as well.
    Glad I found someone serious and intelligent to talk to here. Don't let the distractions get to you please, I'm trying not to (I usually fail in that regard though).

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Decorations do equal a law.
    An act of legislation is a law. Decorations are not.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Everything the government does is authorized by law one way or the other. It's called the "rule of law."
    Everything the government does is supposed to be authorized by the People one way or the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The public land was bought with a law. The people managing it do so with authorization of a law. The money to buy the decorations were authorized with a law. Don't get hung up on that word "law."
    Public land is bought and paid for by the People of that community. It's their property, they may do with it as they like. If they want a Christmas tree, they can have a Christmas tree. If they want a menorah, they can have a menorah. Their land, their rules, their choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You don't have to believe me. Go read the case law. Oops, there's that word again.
    Nothing says government will not usurp powers not meant for it. In fact, that's the natural progression of government. The founders warned us well of that one.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Requiring people to wear clothing is over the line.
    Why exactly?

    You aren't being forced to worship any god. There's no official religion declared. By your own standards, passing a law requiring your wife and daughters to wear burkas should be perfectly constitutional.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why exactly?

    You aren't being forced to worship any god. There's no official religion declared. By your own standards, passing a law requiring your wife and daughters to wear burkas should be perfectly constitutional.
    ya i agree we need more laws to decide the proper clothing for people to bad obama wont do it
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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Decorations do equal a law.
    You have GOT to be ****ting me. Name one instance where the display of a cosmetic (keyword here is cosmetic) decoration would be the equivalent of a LAW passed by CONGRESS.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Everything the government does is authorized by law one way or the other. It's called the "rule of law."
    Oh how silly of me to not see that this includes putting decorations on the lawn!

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The public land was bought with a law. The people managing it do so with authorization of a law. The money to buy the decorations were authorized with a law. Don't get hung up on that word "law."
    Show me the line in any budget for "Denominational Lawn Decorations" please. I can't find it anywhere...And better yet find the law/statute/regulation that would allow that.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You don't have to believe me. Go read the case law. Oops, there's that word again.
    Well right, because your statements are false. No problem!

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