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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Awesomer View Post
    You non-believers need burn down your false idols and recognize.
    Here's hoping this guy isn't a troll. Might actually be funny!

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When they pass a law forcing me to recognize their god.
    So you'll put up with everything just short of that, huh?

    How about a gigantic golden mosque built with taxpayer funds in the middle of the town square, with a big sign saying "Public Town Mosque, Allah is Great"? And a law requiring women to wear burkas? Nothing in there about forcing to recognize any god.

    (But "recognize their god" is awful close to "respecting and establishment of religion." Interesting choice of words, when you could has simply said "worship.")

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So you'll put up with everything just short of that, huh?
    Yes because he isn't a bickering child who let's every small little thing rub him the wrong way.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    How about a gigantic golden mosque built with taxpayer funds in the middle of the town square, with a big sign saying "Public Town Mosque, Allah is Great"? And a law requiring women to wear burkas? Nothing in there about forcing to recognize any god.
    Riiiight, cause that's the same as a plastic nativity from Wal-Mart bought with an employees money not the organization's money...

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    (But "recognize their god" is awful close to "respecting and establishment of religion." Interesting choice of words, when you could has simply said "worship.")
    You can recognize and respect all you want so long as there is no LAW doing so. Decorations do not equal a law nor do they equal the final opinion or actions of the Federal Government.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    you guys need to understand that america needs God in its life we can say seperation of church and state all we want but we can seperate God from our selfs

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Here's hoping this guy isn't a troll. Might actually be funny!
    I've learned never to assume that someone is so preposterous that they must be joking.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, they aren't the same thing, otherwise they would have just written "establishing."
    I see no qualitative distinction between the two. This is where we'll just have to fundamentally interpret it different. I personally would rather err on the side of limiting the federal government's power to intervene as there is no force involved.

    As mentioned before, if force is involved, it is another matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Okay. But say 95% of the town was of a different religion than you, and every building and open lot owned by the government was covered with religious displays from that religion. Just how far do they have to go before it crosses the line?
    When they try to enact any law that forces me to worship (or prohibits me from doing so). Putting up symbols is a local matter, not a constitutional one IMO, for the reasons I already stated.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Just take your case to court (without your gun, they have metal detectors).

    Thanks for being a reasonable, sane, informed person on this thread btw.
    Of course. I was just using hyperbole...

    and thank you as well.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Here's hoping this guy isn't a troll. Might actually be funny!
    I would like to express my deep hatred of people of the troll persuasion. I would also like to assert my high level of concurrence in the matter at present.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Awesomer View Post
    I would like to express my deep hatred of people of the troll persuasion. I would also like to assert my high level of concurrence in the matter at present.
    i agree with this guy the only real trolls i see here is the likes of the other recent posters
    i jest at people who lose arguments and call people trolls i like this guy hes very intellectual
    i am acidrain! and i approve of this message

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I've learned never to assume that someone is so preposterous that they must be joking.
    Oooh, was that a clever jab at my posts? You're forgetting there's a little substance behind me and my posts, and some of these other trolls (And mindless idiots) are just shells.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Oh for God's sake. I explained it.

    (more crap dropped)
    YOU'VE EXPLAINED CRAP! That's it. NOTHING. It's a damned good thing you aren't in a position which requires the use of a human brain.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Okay, I've explained this twice. One more time.

    To erect religious symbols on public property may violate the "respecting an establishment of religion" clause in the First Amendment for two reasons that you may not be grasping:

    1. Putting a bunch of religious symbols on public property can appear that the government is endorsing religion, which violates the establishment clause.

    2. Public property is owned by the government, and it requires laws to be passed to create and maintain it.

    So instead of throwing more crap at me, tell me what you either disagree with or don't understand in the above so I can clarify, okay?
    Respecting an establishment of religion is NOT a clause to itself. It's part of a sentence. The sentence is:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "

    Congress shall make no LAW respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Read it. What does it say? Can you comprehend it? It's not "Government will respect an establishment of religion" It's not "Government will endorse an establishment of religion" It's not "Government shall no place religious symbols on public land". It's "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". That's the sentence. For the love of all that is holy, is there a problem with that.

    It's the same with the people who take the 2nd amendment out of context to try to excuse gun control. You have to read the WHOLE thing. You can't read a part of a sentence and take it out of context. Congress does not have to respect religion, they can make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Respecting isn't the definition from the Aretha Franklin song. The "respecting" means:

    1. a particular, detail, or point (usually prec. by in): to differ in some respect.
    2. relation or reference: inquiries with respect to a route.

    Congress shall make no law in relation to the establishment of a religion. That's the 1st. That's it. Is it clear to you now?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Take a deep breath, maybe drink a beer, calm yourself down, and read post 197.
    Dumbass argument built on misconception, misinterpretation, and by taking a sentence fragment out of context. That's it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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