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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The actual wording is "respecting an establishment of religion".



    But the actual wording is "respecting an establishment of religion."
    This doesn't change the meaning. Replacing "respecting" with "related to":

    shall make no law relating to the establishment of ...

    This means the same as "shall make no law establishing...."

    respecting the establishment of = establishing.

    No law of establishment, however nuanced is allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Just a side note, whether or not it has legal bearing - doesn't it bother you that the government chooses to put up a display, possibly even using your money, to make a statement that appears to endorse one religion over others? Even if you aren't forced to practice it, doesn't it bother you? Especially if it isn't your religion?
    Yes, but not because it is prohibited by the constitution. I would work hard to vote out any representative or official that put up symbols I disagree with.

    I would take my guns to the mountains if they were forcing me to worship zoroaster.

    That's a big difference
    Last edited by other; 12-07-09 at 10:28 PM.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    JUST STOP ALREADY! PUT THE SHOVEL DOWN! You're digging a hole the likes of which you cannot get out of without major ass kissing or backpedaling.
    Yeah, right. See you in court.

    So if everyone has stopped flailing around with that "Bill of Rights doesn't apply to the states" crap, can I go to bed now?

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Okay, this time SLOOOWLY.

    Public land is bought and maintained by a government making laws. To acquire the land, a law was passed. To create the government agencies that manage it and make policies for it, a law was passed.
    Fine, and there is nothing barring display of religious symbols on that public land. So what the hell are you even arguing.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Right. Now, skipping over the other worthless crap...
    No, there was point. I showed it. You just don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes. And you just admitted that the 14th amendment makes the 1st amendment apply to the states. So we're done here.
    What are we done with? You being stupid. Please please please say that's so. Yes, State Congress can make no law abridging freedom of religion. But nothing bars a community or State from erecting religious symbols on public property. Nothing is all that. So just what the hell are you even talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, actually, I've already explained to you both my points here - the doctrine of incorporation and the fact that management of public land is "making law" in the sense of the First Amendment. You just aren't listening.
    You've explained ****. You're not listening. NO WHERE did you explain how the 1st or the 14th bars the erection of religious symbols on public land. Till that point, we're done. I have a low tolerance for stupid, and I'm not going to entertain pointless, worthless arguments.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    This doesn't change the meaning. Replacing "respecting" with "related to":

    shall make no law relating to the establishment of ...

    This means the same as "shall make no law establishing...."

    respecting the establishment of = establishing.
    No, they aren't the same thing, otherwise they would have just written "establishing."

    Yes, but not because it is prohibited by the constitution. I would work hard to vote out any representative or official that put up symbols I disagree with.
    Okay. But say 95% of the town was of a different religion than you, and every building and open lot owned by the government was covered with religious displays from that religion. Just how far do they have to go before it crosses the line?

    I would take my guns to the mountains if they were forcing me to worship zoroaster.
    Just take your case to court (without your gun, they have metal detectors).

    Thanks for being a reasonable, sane, informed person on this thread btw.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    Thanks misterman for making me root for Ikari on a debate about religion & public life.

    It's something I rarely get to do.
    I'm usually in agreement with everyone about something. Vague? Yes. But I like to think there is an issue or two with each person that I can at least see eye to eye on.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Okay. But say 95% of the town was of a different religion than you, and every building and open lot owned by the government was covered with religious displays from that religion. Just how far do they have to go before it crosses the line?
    When they pass a law forcing me to recognize their god.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When they pass a law forcing me to recognize their god.
    You non-believers need burn down your false idols and recognize.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Fine, and there is nothing barring display of religious symbols on that public land. So what the hell are you even arguing.
    Oh for God's sake. I explained it.

    (more crap dropped)

    Yes, State Congress can make no law abridging freedom of religion. But nothing bars a community or State from erecting religious symbols on public property.
    Okay, I've explained this twice. One more time.

    To erect religious symbols on public property may violate the "respecting an establishment of religion" clause in the First Amendment for two reasons that you may not be grasping:

    1. Putting a bunch of religious symbols on public property can appear that the government is endorsing religion, which violates the establishment clause.

    2. Public property is owned by the government, and it requires laws to be passed to create and maintain it.

    So instead of throwing more crap at me, tell me what you either disagree with or don't understand in the above so I can clarify, okay?

    You've explained ****. You're not listening. NO WHERE did you explain how the 1st or the 14th bars the erection of religious symbols on public land. Till that point, we're done. I have a low tolerance for stupid, and I'm not going to entertain pointless, worthless arguments.
    Take a deep breath, maybe drink a beer, calm yourself down, and read post 197.

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Awesomer View Post
    You non-believers need burn down your false idols and recognize.
    I did that once, caught my house on fire.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Sarah Palin says US should rededicate itself to God

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yeah, right. See you in court.

    So if everyone has stopped flailing around with that "Bill of Rights doesn't apply to the states" crap, can I go to bed now?
    I don't know what crap that's referring to, but I was referring to the part where you tried to compare putting up decorations to being a "law respecting a religion" or whatnot.

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