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Italian court convicts Amanda Knox of murder

Ethereal said:
I'm not saying they need to send her to America but the Italian government should ensure that she receives a fair trial; this is the duty of all civilized nations.
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The facist idiots in Italy are incapable of such things. Therefore, Amanda Knox must be returned to America and Italy must face international condemnation for their mockery of justice.
 
Ethereal said:
I'm not saying they need to send her to America but the Italian government should ensure that she receives a fair trial; this is the duty of all civilized nations.
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:rofl

That's a good one Ethereal, civilized nations...You crack me up!
 
I just hope until Amanda is exonerated she is treated like Henry Hill in the joint :)
 
DeeJayH said:
puh-lease
she is no more than a cum dumpster = guilty

looks like she will at least be popular in the Joint :wink2:
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I hope you're joking.
 
DeeJayH said:
yes it was a commentary on the virulent attacks on Amanda
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Sorry, I wasn't sure. You're absolutely right though; she's been painted as a whore by the media, as well as a bratty American bitch.

The Italian media was especially biased against her and the jury had full access to the sensationalistic reporting because they were never sequestered.

The Italian justice system is just sloppy.
 
Ethereal said:
Sorry, I wasn't sure. You're absolutely right though; she's been painted as a whore by the media, as well as a bratty American bitch.

The Italian media was especially biased against her and the jury had full access to the sensationalistic reporting because they were never sequestered.

The Italian justice system is just sloppy.
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It's not over. They're going to appeal. The Italian system may be sloppy and that prosecutor is the biggest scumbag imaginable, but under this sloppy system she still has the option of starting over from scratch. There will be another trial and I have much hope that justice will be served. I'm honestly not convinced that Amanda and Raffaele had nothing to do with Meredith's murder, but I do believe that most of the evidence against them was circumstantial and that there was more than reasonable doubt as to their guilt. They should have been acquitted.
 
Arcana XV said:
It's not over. They're going to appeal. The Italian system may be sloppy and that prosecutor is the biggest scumbag imaginable, but under this sloppy system she still has the option of starting over from scratch. There will be another trial and I have much hope that justice will be served.
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One can only hope. I think once the details of this trial come to light around the world intense pressure will be put on the Italian justice system to ensure a fair review of the so-called evidence against her and her ex.

I'm honestly not convinced that Amanda and Raffaele had nothing to do with Meredith's murder...
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Well, what was their motive? The prosecutor's theory is that it was the culmination of a Satanic sex ritual. This theory, by the way, was not the brainchild of the prosecutor, rather, it originated with an occultist blogger who claims to communicate with a dead priest. Not what I'd call a plausible motive.

...but I do believe that most of the evidence against them was circumstantial and that there was more than reasonable doubt as to their guilt. They should have been acquitted.
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This wouldn't have even gone to trial in America. The chain of evidence was broken in such an amatauerish fashion as to be laughable.

The key piece of forensic evidence linking Raffaele to the murder scene (a clasp from the victim's bra) was not collected until SIX WEEKS after the murder.
 
Arcana XV said:
It's not over. They're going to appeal. The Italian system may be sloppy and that prosecutor is the biggest scumbag imaginable, but under this sloppy system she still has the option of starting over from scratch. There will be another trial and I have much hope that justice will be served. I'm honestly not convinced that Amanda and Raffaele had nothing to do with Meredith's murder, but I do believe that most of the evidence against them was circumstantial and that there was more than reasonable doubt as to their guilt. They should have been acquitted.
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Even the DNA [knoxs] on the knife? I appreciate it was apparently destroyed during testing. What about the different stories she confessed its purported they changed a few times. I agree with what alot of people are saying the rigours of the Italian court system lead alot to be desired.

Paul
 
gunner said:
Even the DNA [knoxs] on the knife?
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It wasn't the murder weapon, it was just a random knife.

gunner said:
I appreciate it was apparently destroyed during testing. What about the different stories she confessed its purported they changed a few times.
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Lying isn't necessarily a sign of guilt of murder. There are other reasons someone might lie.
 
gunner said:
Even the DNA [knoxs] on the knife? I appreciate it was apparently destroyed during testing. What about the different stories she confessed its purported they changed a few times. I agree with what alot of people are saying the rigours of the Italian court system lead alot to be desired.

Paul
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There were all sorts of problems with the DNA evidence on the knife, moreover, the alleged murder weapon does not match the police composite, which was extrapolated from forensic evidence at the murder scene.

As to the inconsistencies in her story, they are easily explained by the intense interrogation methods of the Italian police force, who induced her into a false confession, which she later retracted. I would also like to note that false confessions are not as uncommon as people think.
 
Ethereal said:
This wouldn't have even gone to trial in America. The chain of evidence was broken in such an amatauerish fashion as to be laughable.

The key piece of forensic evidence linking Raffaele to the murder scene (a clasp from the victim's bra) was not collected until SIX WEEKS after the murder.
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Not to mention handled by everyone while they were all at the scene instead of going directly into an evidence bag.
 
EpicDude86 said:
I'm screwed if I ever go on trial. I can't ever keep a straight face when I'm in trouble, guilty or innocent.
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I do think that kind of behavior hurts a defendant.
 
Ethereal said:
And you're basing this on what, exactly? Your extensive knowledge of the trial?

How about you familiarize yourself with the facts of the case before you race to condemn this girl.
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When the news of this murder came out, I read up on the case. My gut told me she was guilty. I haven't read up on it recently. My gut still tells me she is guilty, although I'll take the time to read up on it again.

I'll race to condemn her if I want to. You can disagree with me. Why don't you provide me with an argument as to why I am soooooooooo wrong about this and you're soooooooooooo right about this. :roll:
 
Arcana XV said:
It's not over. They're going to appeal. The Italian system may be sloppy and that prosecutor is the biggest scumbag imaginable, but under this sloppy system she still has the option of starting over from scratch. There will be another trial and I have much hope that justice will be served. I'm honestly not convinced that Amanda and Raffaele had nothing to do with Meredith's murder, but I do believe that most of the evidence against them was circumstantial and that there was more than reasonable doubt as to their guilt. They should have been acquitted.
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I don't understand this line of thinking that no one should be convicted on circumstantial evidence. :confused:
 
Kandahar said:
It wasn't the murder weapon, it was just a random knife.



Lying isn't necessarily a sign of guilt of murder. There are other reasons someone might lie.
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I am aware of this. But you are insinuating that lying doesn't mean she's guilty. That's up to the weigher of facts to decide whether they think that hurts her credibility or not.
 
So she admits she was in the place when Meredith was killed and put her hands over her ears when Meredith was screaming. Then she claims she wasn't present when Meredith was killed? That is a serious change in her story. Jesus.
 
aps said:
When the news of this murder came out, I read up on the case. My gut told me she was guilty. I haven't read up on it recently. My gut still tells me she is guilty, although I'll take the time to read up on it again.

I'll race to condemn her if I want to. You can disagree with me. Why don't you provide me with an argument as to why I am soooooooooo wrong about this and you're soooooooooooo right about this. :roll:
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Because what "your gut told you" is not a good enough reason to support someone's incarceration for 26 years.
 
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aps said:
So she admits she was in the place when Meredith was killed and put her hands over her ears when Meredith was screaming. Then she claims she wasn't present when Meredith was killed? That is a serious change in her story. Jesus.
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She was interrogated for 14 hours, the police accused her of lying almost immediately, they told her that it would be better for her to not have a lawyer, and one of them allegedly hit her in the back of the head. How well would YOU stand up under those circumstances?
 
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Kandahar said:
She was interrogated for 14 hours, the police accused her of lying almost immediately and told her that it would be better for her to not have a lawyer, and one of them allegedly hit her in the back of the head. How well would YOU stand up under those circumstances?
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Maybe because she was lieing and was caught in lies on day one? And who claims that she was hit or denied a lawyer, oh yea the person who was caught lieing. Just saying, her credibility is no higher than that of the Italian police at this point.
 
aps said:
I am aware of this. But you are insinuating that lying doesn't mean she's guilty. That's up to the weigher of facts to decide whether they think that hurts her credibility or not.
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Whether or not it hurts her credibility shouldn't matter if there is no actual evidence linking her to the crime. I don't care if she's a compulsive liar who has never told the truth once in her life...that doesn't change the fact that there isn't a single bit of actual evidence linking her to the murder scene.
 
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