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    Re: Italian court convicts Amanda Knox of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Maybe because she was lieing and was caught in lies on day one?
    The police reportedly accused her of lying within an hour of her first interrogation. How the hell would they know if she was lying at that point?

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    Just saying, her credibility is no higher than that of the Italian police at this point.
    And there's still no evidence linking her to the crime. Next?
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    Re: Italian court convicts Amanda Knox of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The police reportedly accused her of lying within an hour of her first interrogation. How the hell would they know if she was lying at that point?
    Because they caught her and her boyfriend cleaning the crime scene maybe and they could not explain why they were doing so and not calling the police? Why did she go out and buy clean supplies after she allegedly discovered the body?! Why?

    How the hell would you know? Were you in the room?
    How do you know, because Amanda and her PR people said so to a willing American audience? Why should we trust a word they say? I aint saying I trust a word the Italians are saying either by the way if you were going to imply that. Point is, it is her word against theirs, and the Italian police have a tad, not much, but a tad more credibility than a woman who falsely accused another man of a crime and ruined his life.

    And there's still no evidence linking her to the crime. Next?
    There is evidence, just not evidence enough for the American court system, but guess what.. she aint in America.
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    Re: Italian court convicts Amanda Knox of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because what "your gut told you" is not a good enough reason to support someone's incarceration for 26 years.
    In your opinion, Kandahar. So whatever you think is the rule of law? Give me a break.

    If her conviction got overturned, I wouldn't care. I have printed up a bunch of article that were written back in 2008 (which I find more credible than ones written at or after her conviction). I'll see what I conclude. I have stated that my gut told me she was guilty. If you don't like it, tough. It's JUST MY OPINION! Jesus Christ.

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    Re: Italian court convicts Amanda Knox of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    She was interrogated for 14 hours, the police accused her of lying almost immediately, they told her that it would be better for her to not have a lawyer, and one of them allegedly hit her in the back of the head. How well would YOU stand up under those circumstances?
    I don't know how I would stand up under those circumstances, but I find it hard to believe that I would state that I heard someone screaming as they were being stabbed to death when I wasn't even present when this occurred.

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    Re: Italian court convicts Amanda Knox of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Whether or not it hurts her credibility shouldn't matter if there is no actual evidence linking her to the crime. I don't care if she's a compulsive liar who has never told the truth once in her life...that doesn't change the fact that there isn't a single bit of actual evidence linking her to the murder scene.
    Yes, it does matter, Kandahar. My gosh. The United States criminal justice system is essentially based on testimony. The jury can hear evidence both for and against the defendant, and they have to choose which story they find more credible. That involves assessing the credibility of the witness. Credibility is EVERYTHING in a trial--both criminal and civil. Who are you kidding?

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    Re: Italian court convicts Amanda Knox of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Because they caught her and her boyfriend cleaning the crime scene maybe and they could not explain why they were doing so and not calling the police? Why did she go out and buy clean supplies after she allegedly discovered the body?! Why?
    Allegedly discovered the body? According to the police the door to the bedroom was locked from the inside when they arrived, and they had to break it down. If she bought cleaning supplies to clean up the murder scene, why didn't she, umm, clean up the murder scene? Are you telling me that she was able to clean up her own blood and Rafaelle's from the murder but not Kercher's or Geude's? Give me a break.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    How do you know, because Amanda and her PR people said so to a willing American audience? Why should we trust a word they say? I aint saying I trust a word the Italians are saying either by the way if you were going to imply that. Point is, it is her word against theirs, and the Italian police have a tad, not much, but a tad more credibility than a woman who falsely accused another man of a crime and ruined his life.
    I really don't care who you think has more credibility; as I said, I don't care if she's never told the truth once in her life. There was no evidence linking her to the murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    There is evidence, just not evidence enough for the American court system, but guess what.. she aint in America.
    Which is exactly the problem with the Italian court system. People are presumed guilty in reality (even if they're presumed innocent in theory) and the standard of proof required is appallingly low.
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    Re: Italian court convicts Amanda Knox of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Yes, it does matter, Kandahar. My gosh. The United States criminal justice system is essentially based on testimony. The jury can hear evidence both for and against the defendant, and they have to choose which story they find more credible. That involves assessing the credibility of the witness. Credibility is EVERYTHING in a trial--both criminal and civil. Who are you kidding?
    What? No it isn't. Testimony and circumstantial evidence like this would NEVER be enough to convict someone in an American court. The American criminal justice system is all about EVIDENCE. The least credible defendant in the world will walk if there is no evidence that they committed the crime...and rightly so. There is no evidence whatsoever that she was involved in this murder. None. Zip. Zero.

    There is no evidence that Knox had more than a distant acquaintanceship with Geude, or that Solecito and Geude knew each other at all. There is, however, evidence that the prosecutor (who is under indictment for abuse of power) got his ridiculous Satanic-group-sex-ritual-gone-wrong theory from an occultist and had used this same ridiculous theory in prior cases.
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    Re: Italian court convicts Amanda Knox of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What? No it isn't. Testimony and circumstantial evidence like this would NEVER be enough to convict someone in an American court. The American criminal justice system is all about EVIDENCE. The least credible defendant in the world will walk if there is no evidence that they committed the crime...and rightly so. There is no evidence whatsoever that she was involved in this murder. None. Zip. Zero.

    There is no evidence that Knox had more than a distant acquaintanceship with Geude, or that Solecito and Geude knew each other at all. There is, however, evidence that the prosecutor (who is under indictment for abuse of power) got his ridiculous Satanic-group-sex-ritual-gone-wrong theory from an occultist and had used this same ridiculous theory in prior cases.
    Actually, yes it can, it has, and will continue to do so until the conviction rating system used by prosecutors is abolished.

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    Re: Italian court convicts Amanda Knox of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Whether or not it hurts her credibility shouldn't matter if there is no actual evidence linking her to the crime. I don't care if she's a compulsive liar who has never told the truth once in her life...that doesn't change the fact that there isn't a single bit of actual evidence linking her to the murder scene.
    It shouldn't, I agree, but it does. Italy's facist kangaroo court is a sham; this is a given. If Knox is to get justice, she will need help from the US government.

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    Re: Italian court convicts Amanda Knox of murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    One can only hope. I think once the details of this trial come to light around the world intense pressure will be put on the Italian justice system to ensure a fair review of the so-called evidence against her and her ex.
    To be quite honest, I don't think anyone really cares anywhere else outside of Italy, the UK and the US. And the whole case from start to finish has been extensively covered in all three countries in various appallingly biased ways. If your State Department gets involved and H. Clinton officially complains to her Italian counterparts, then maybe some pressure can be applied, but other than that, don't hold your breath.


    Well, what was their motive? The prosecutor's theory is that it was the culmination of a Satanic sex ritual. This theory, by the way, was not the brainchild of the prosecutor, rather, it originated with an occultist blogger who claims to communicate with a dead priest. Not what I'd call a plausible motive.
    Magnini is clearly insane. I can't believe he's still allowed to practice law. As for the motive, there might not even be one. My thought from the start was that this was an accident which they all tried to cover up.

    This wouldn't have even gone to trial in America. The chain of evidence was broken in such an amatauerish fashion as to be laughable.

    The key piece of forensic evidence linking Raffaele to the murder scene (a clasp from the victim's bra) was not collected until SIX WEEKS after the murder.
    The Italian system is different. It has a lot of self correcting processes. This is only the first step. They've still got two other courts they can take this to and completely restart the trial. The only problem is that it will be a lengthy process. Who knows how many more years they'll have to spend in jail.
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