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    Re: Jobs Summit: Real Progress or PR Stunt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Why do you shy away from the multiplier effect?
    Because the multiplier effect doesn't create wealth. Why is it so hard for people to see that government can't create wealth?

    I'm just a dumbass ole country boy and I know that no one ever got rich working for the government and no one ever got rich collecting welfare.
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    Re: Jobs Summit: Real Progress or PR Stunt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Why even bother to respond?
    So you can defend your socialist policies.
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    Re: Jobs Summit: Real Progress or PR Stunt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    So you can defend your socialist policies.

    But he can't...He is already starting to devolve into name calling....I think he needs a bit of 'oldschooling'


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    Re: Jobs Summit: Real Progress or PR Stunt?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because the multiplier effect doesn't create wealth. Why is it so hard for people to see that government can't create wealth?

    I'm just a dumbass ole country boy and I know that no one ever got rich working for the government and no one ever got rich collecting welfare.
    More importantly, who's the last poor person that hired you? So why do we want to put even more tax strain on the only people who can hire people and create wealth?

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    Re: Jobs Summit: Real Progress or PR Stunt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    More importantly, who's the last poor person that hired you? So why do we want to put even more tax strain on the only people who can hire people and create wealth?
    It's because they want to create more poor people.
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    Re: Jobs Summit: Real Progress or PR Stunt?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But he can't...He is already starting to devolve into name calling....I think he needs a bit of 'oldschooling'


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    J...did you see any of this jobs summit goings on? Obama in there doing a camera appearance, Chamber of Commerce nor any known Republican even there. What a community organization Obama gathered yesterday, the absolute brilliant minds of our time. Nobel Peace Prize economists, journalists, academia, and Google there to discuss job growth.

    A circus side show.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Jobs Summit: Real Progress or PR Stunt?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, I agree, and so far we have been, and what does that bring us? Being labeled by liberals as 'the Party of NO' and obstructionists.
    The fiscal conservatives in government hold very little say. When you go to war, a war in which you are not being actively invaded by a military presence, in which your economy is not at the brink of collapse, the fiscal conservative thing to do, the responsible thing to do, is raise taxes to pay for the war.

    Really?
    Yep!
    You managed to describe the entire orange

    Hmmmm....Looks like China holds the most...may not be 75% but still.
    Who holds the other 73%?

    Evansville IN eh? Hmmmm....proving my point.
    Hey, that is why i set up shop here.

    Well, see I have been a truck driver for some 20 years now, 15 of that was driving a tri axle dump in the construction trade, and the last 5 has been Tractor Trailer, flat bed, and now van OTR. most of it was in the construction trades, and not small industries either. During my Dump days we supplied LaFarge concrete, and Black top. Ever hear of those? I worked on projects with American Infrastructure, ever hear of them? They sound alot like Walsh....Here is a site American Infrastructure

    Now before you look foolish, I will say that you shouldn't let your own speculation about me as a poster run away with you.
    I am not saying you are not involved in the industry; however, i have very strong ties with Walsh construction, and the word is that their market cap will more than double in the next 3 years. Anecdotal i know, but they are a major construction firm in Chicago (Obama land).

    In today's market the need to be self sufficient in every aspect saves money, if you don't think that is what the trend is then I seriously question your knowledge of this.
    I consider myself a small business owner. Guess what, when one of my electrical systems breaks down, i have it repaired by someone who specializes in that sort of thing. Of course, i could do it myself, but then i would be doing something that i am less efficient at, and forgoing something i am more efficient at.

    Large companies also contract out to specialized firms. Why? Because in regards to major construction firms, they are more efficient in building, and less efficient in other aspects that make up their business. They hire plumbers too!

    By whom? you? So what!


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    After the nth time, i fail to see the point.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Jobs Summit: Real Progress or PR Stunt?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because the multiplier effect doesn't create wealth. Why is it so hard for people to see that government can't create wealth?
    Wrong! The initial step say $1 billion is spent by government into the economy. Steps two through infinity have nothing to do with government, as they are cycling through the economy via consumption. Depending on how much we consume via the domestic economy, $1 billion in government in spending creates more than $1 billion in wages/consumption. Say our marginal propensity to consume domestic goods is 50%. $1 billion in government spending on infrastructure (jobs) creates $2 billion in GDP growth.

    Care to deny this?

    I'm just a dumbass ole country boy and I know that no one ever got rich working for the government and no one ever got rich collecting welfare.
    Who does Halliburton work for? Oh yeah, the Iraqi people
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Jobs Summit: Real Progress or PR Stunt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    So you can defend your socialist policies.
    My socialist policy?

    Military spending is socialist? I mean, it spawns from government spending.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Jobs Summit: Real Progress or PR Stunt?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're missing the point. You're trying to say that the government can create wealth. It can't, since the government's money comes from the people. Therefore, only the private sector can create wealth.
    The government creates nothing of its own. It is purely a consumer of goods and services. It's real duty in a market economy is to legislate laws that promote commerce among private parties who create products and services that are traded for money.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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