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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    If Isolationism is:

    Controlling the borders, then I'm all for it.

    Sending the invading illegals home, then I'm all for it.

    Telling Europe to defend themselves since they don't like us, then I'm all for it.

    Drilling our own oil, then I'm all for it.

    Digging our own coal, then I'm all for it.

    Letting the barbaric primitive places of the world fend for themselves, then I'm all for it, so long as the other nations keep their militaries out of those areas as well.

    Isolationism can be a good thing. Just think of all the Americans that could have been saved if Wilson had let Europe fight it's own wars, and if LBJ had left Vietnam alone.

    So long as the United States retains the strength to turn the rest of the planet into a glazed donut, and otherwise be able to protect our freedoms, the rest of the world can and should go to hell without us.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If Isolationism is:

    Controlling the borders, then I'm all for it.

    Sending the invading illegals home, then I'm all for it.

    Telling Europe to defend themselves since they don't like us, then I'm all for it.

    Drilling our own oil, then I'm all for it.

    Digging our own coal, then I'm all for it.

    Letting the barbaric primitive places of the world fend for themselves, then I'm all for it, so long as the other nations keep their militaries out of those areas as well.

    Isolationism can be a good thing. Just think of all the Americans that could have been saved if Wilson had let Europe fight it's own wars, and if LBJ had left Vietnam alone.

    So long as the United States retains the strength to turn the rest of the planet into a glazed donut, and otherwise be able to protect our freedoms, the rest of the world can and should go to hell without us.

    You're Swiss aren't you, just judging by the neutrality of your foreign policy.
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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Why should we do it when a foreign government subjugates its people?
    So we can promote human rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    What particular aspects of doing so do you believe would make it in our interests?
    I'm sure that would change case by case. As far Iraq goes, it is because of their oil and the fact that the surrounding countries are autocratic as well. They will set an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Why should we spread democracy?
    Democracy because it is the best system of government for allowing people to express their self-determination.

    We spread democracy because we have the capability. Because we can.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    And it is my belief that the people should do their own regime change when they have the cultural capacity for it.

    Not if they are unwilling/unable to obtain it for themselves.
    Most certainly if they are unable to obtain it for themselves.


    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    To understand my point of view on war and international intervention probably requires that I clarify my personal views on the individual. I believe every person is responsible for his/her own happiness or misery (with the exception of children, but once they are on their own, the same idea applies).
    I totally agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't believe I can save anyone, nor do I have the desire to. I don't believe America can be the saviors and heroes of the world. I believe that when individuals or groups reach a point that change is deeply desired or necessary, then change happens.
    I believe I can save people and I have. It is an expression of selflessness and generosity. America can certainly help save the world. We have in the past and we will continue to do so. I think some people are so under the boot that they cannot free themselves, when it is deeply desired. We can help them.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    You're Swiss aren't you, just judging by the neutrality of your foreign policy.
    My foreign policy doesn't show any neutrality.

    When the US walks off of Europe, the French will be forced to learn Russian.

    That's a damn good thing as far as I'm concerned.

    Not to mention the fact that the US military is propping up the Euro. If western Europe had to bear the full cost of it's defense, it's marginal economy would crash and burn. Which will serve those ungrateful bastards justice.
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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    The left depends on illegals votes for its power base?
    Her name is Loretta Sanchez.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    My foreign policy doesn't show any neutrality.

    When the US walks off of Europe, the French will be forced to learn Russian.

    That's a damn good thing as far as I'm concerned.

    Not to mention the fact that the US military is propping up the Euro. If western Europe had to bear the full cost of it's defense, it's marginal economy would crash and burn. Which will serve those ungrateful bastards justice.
    You're pretty funny.
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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    I'm not so sure we have added to the 'greater good of the world' since WWII.
    It's called "winning the Cold War".

    Look it up.

    If we'd lost, the USSR, with it's gulags and opression, would have been the model for the future.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    A survey taken by the Pew Research center for the People & the Press revealed that a growing number of Americans are favor the United States' disengaging from international affairs. The Associated Press reported:



    The Associated Press: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    The entire report can be found at: http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/569.pdf
    I've always, basically, been an isolationist. That doesn't mean I'm not interested in the rest of the world. It's just that I think that America, politically, should be more like Switzerland.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    On the other hand, the U.S.'s interventionism in the middle east fed local sympathies against the U.S. It's questionable how successful their recruiting would have been without our ineptitude feeding it.
    The US coulnd't not intervene in the Middle East, not when the Middle East, with it's warm water and all that oil was the prize the Soviets were seeking. Losing the ME would have lost the Cold War for the US, pure and simple.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    So we can promote human rights.



    I'm sure that would change case by case. As far Iraq goes, it is because of their oil and the fact that the surrounding countries are autocratic as well. They will set an example.



    Democracy because it is the best system of government for allowing people to express their self-determination.

    We spread democracy because we have the capability. Because we can.



    Most certainly if they are unable to obtain it for themselves.




    I totally agree.



    I believe I can save people and I have. It is an expression of selflessness and generosity. America can certainly help save the world. We have in the past and we will continue to do so. I think some people are so under the boot that they cannot free themselves, when it is deeply desired. We can help them.
    It appears we stand almost directly opposite each other. Fair enough.

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