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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    A survey taken by the Pew Research center for the People & the Press revealed that a growing number of Americans are favor the United States' disengaging from international affairs. The Associated Press reported:



    The Associated Press: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    The entire report can be found at: http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/569.pdf
    Awesome. While we can't engage in total isolationism, I hope this movement keeps going so we start to adopt non-interventionist policies. It's about time people got sick of ****ing with other people.
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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's entirely likely that the events of 9/11 wouldn't have lapped up to our shores if we hadn't meddled so much in the middle east.
    Better watch it there. Those sorts of comments draw out the "you're blaming America!!??" crowd, no matter how much truth is contained therein.
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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Better watch it there. Those sorts of comments draw out the "you're blaming America!!??" crowd, no matter how much truth is contained therein.
    Truth is truth. Some poeple are too thick-headed to grasp it. The best possible thing we could do at this point in time is to turn our best minds towards creating alternatives to fossil fuels, and getting out of the middle east entirely. Let them wallow in their retardedness.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Truth is truth. Some poeple are too thick-headed to grasp it. The best possible thing we could do at this point in time is to turn our best minds towards creating alternatives to fossil fuels, and getting out of the middle east entirely. Let them wallow in their retardedness.
    Ron Paul said those sorts of things during the prelims. The GOP faithful didn't take too kindly. There's lots of truth to it though. We have engaged in massive interventionist policies which have in some places fostered a strong, entrenched anti-American sentiments. The same sort of feelings preyed upon by terrorist organizations and others which do us harm. Once most of the people in a region have a friend or family member killed by the US, you're getting into some trouble. But people wanted to hide their heads in the sand and pretend that intervention wasn't a problem, that more intervention was needed. Fools.

    People need to understand that actions have consequences. They're going to have to know what those consequences are, acknowledge them, and if negative move in a way to not enact them.
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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ron Paul said those sorts of things during the prelims. The GOP faithful didn't take too kindly. There's lots of truth to it though. We have engaged in massive interventionist policies which have in some places fostered a strong, entrenched anti-American sentiments. The same sort of feelings preyed upon by terrorist organizations and others which do us harm. Once most of the people in a region have a friend or family member killed by the US, you're getting into some trouble. But people wanted to hide their heads in the sand and pretend that intervention wasn't a problem, that more intervention was needed. Fools.

    People need to understand that actions have consequences. They're going to have to know what those consequences are, acknowledge them, and if negative move in a way to not enact them.
    I can't support an entirely libertarian position, but I agree with Ron Paul on foreign policy issues these days. I'm persuaded that we need to stop trying to dictate to other parts of the world how to live. And, we need to stop molly-coddling Israel and selling them weapons. Netanyahu's recent statements on the settlements put paid to the notion that Israel is pursuing a path of peace. Let them live in the bed they've made for themselves without American protectionism for a while. If they wish to provoke war, let them pay the price themselves. I'm now almost convinced that most of our interventionism in the past 5 decades has done more harm than good. Korea had a relatively positive outcome, but that was the 1950s. And, South Korea is now wealthy enough to defend their own damn borders, frankly. We've done our share.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I'm more disappointed than that. Why would anyone promote a policy of isolation when it's clearly failed and isn't reality any longer? The 20th century and the terrible events on 9-11 have offered more than one lesson, fellow Americans, none more important than......what is happening abroad will eventually lap up to our shores, it's inevitable. Our security today is increasingly dependent on pre-emptive action and non-isolationism.
    Which preemptive actions could have prevented 9/11? If anything stronger intelligence domestically could have prevented it.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    I don't see minding our own business as isolationism. We have lots of problems to deal with, and trying to meddle in the affairs of other nations when we are having some serious problems is like taking care of others' children when yours are starving.
    If we had spent some real time and effort minding our own business over the last 15-20 years, and getting our own house in order, we probably woudn't be in the economic mess we are in.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    ...what is happening abroad will eventually lap up to our shores, it's inevitable.
    Then we should defend our shores.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Which preemptive actions could have prevented 9/11? If anything stronger intelligence domestically could have prevented it.
    Stonger intelligence domestically could have prevented it.......meaning we would have denoted the 9-11 hijackers long before 9-11-01 like we would have arrested them closer to 1996 when they entered the US all filled with hate and rage and what not. And arresting them would have led to information about a whole nest of al-Qaeda that was busy declaring war on the US without the slightest movement from us. The Khobar Towers, the USS Cole, al-Qaeda had been trying to declare war on us for 5 years before we finally woke up.

    Yes, if we had stronger domestic intelligence, we would have been led to Afghanistan where pre-emptive actions would clearly need to be taken as well.....rather than sitting over here and waiting for it.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Then we should defend our shores.
    The best defense is a good offense, Lizzie.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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