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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    That seems to be the irreconcilable philosophical divide. I believe that populations have the leadership they need based on their own strengths and weaknesses. As those populations evolve or change, government structures change. Until a majority of a population desires change to the point that they are willing to exert the will forcing that change, then the status quo will remain. I see signs even in our own population of weakening wills and minds, which will lead us to accept increasing government control over our lives. Weak-willed and weak-minded poeple can't handle freedom. They need control.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That seems to be the irreconcilable philosophical divide. I believe that populations have the leadership they need based on their own strengths and weaknesses. As those populations evolve or change, government structures change. Until a majority of a population desires change to the point that they are willing to exert the will forcing that change, then the status quo will remain. I see signs even in our own population of weakening wills and minds, which will lead us to accept increasing government control over our lives. Weak-willed and weak-minded poeple can't handle freedom. They need control.
    I believe that there's very little evidence to suggest, especially in modernity, that people on the inside of Capitol Hill better at knowing what is good for the people than those outside of Capitol Hill.

    The function of government should not be to rule, to expand authority, or to control. The function of government should be to casually phase itself out, it should be a crutch to keep order long enough for the peoples of a nation to be so intertwined that the differences (within the people) are not just tolerated, but cherished.
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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    The function of government should not be to rule, to expand authority, or to control.
    That is the nature of government. The population of the US is getting increasingly dependent and in need of control. I'm not, you're not, many of us here are not, but the trend seems to be moving in that direction.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That is the nature of government. The population of the US is getting increasingly dependent and in need of control. I'm not, you're not, many of us here are not, but the trend seems to be moving in that direction.
    The more the government clamps down on population in the name of control the more the population with retaliate. A true authoritarian regime requires the work of Science-Fiction; (I suggest Zamyatin's "We", where Orwell got the idea for 1984).

    Your premise is that there is a "natural state of Government", but that requires the government to be from nature and not a construction of man.
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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That is the nature of government. The population of the US is getting increasingly dependent and in need of control. I'm not, you're not, many of us here are not, but the trend seems to be moving in that direction.
    Why does this sound like a justification for an authoratarian regime? Hitler and Mussolini both used the same kind of argument, although you could argue that Mussolini was fairly benign in his regime.

    Whatever happened to "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."?

    Notice that this states that the government of the United States is formed BY THE PEOPLE. The government exists on our sufference, not the people existing on the government's sufference. Government is there to provide a unifying point for the people, insure that justice is maintained within our borders, promote peace among the people, defend our people against threats, allow us to live in peace and the ability to improve our situation, and allow us to do this without threat or violence overcoming our rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

    Where, in any of this, did the government EVER achieve the right to "control" the population in any way, shape, or form? If the people have become "dependent" upon the government, then the government has failed the people by failure in their basic purpose. When this happens, then the government should be replaced wholesale, just as we did for the British crown.
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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Sure but nothing happened like 9/11 and we don't fight wars and kill innocent civillians. Are you going to tell me that 9/11 is some conspiracy theory?
    Your country isn't worth it to them. You have tons of muslims anyways, they wouldn't waste the time and effort. Now, Infidel America on the other hand...

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Your country isn't worth it to them. You have tons of muslims anyways, they wouldn't waste the time and effort. Now, Infidel America on the other hand...
    Don't underestimate. US aircraft carriers frequently dock at the naval base here for R & R.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Sure but nothing happened like 9/11 and we don't fight wars and kill innocent civillians. Are you going to tell me that 9/11 is some conspiracy theory?
    What are you talking about? The London bombings killed hundreds and so did the Madrid and Barcelona attacks and the ones in Delhi. You are now grasping for straws. Your claims was that they didn't attack the rest of the worst. This is on it's face a ****ing lie.
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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What are you talking about? The London bombings killed hundreds and so did the Madrid and Barcelona attacks and the ones in Delhi. You are now grasping for straws. Your claims was that they didn't attack the rest of the worst. This is on it's face a ****ing lie.
    Besides Al-Qaeda and Taliban I also consider the US as terrorists.

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    Re: Poll: Isolationism soars among Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Besides Al-Qaeda and Taliban I also consider the US as terrorists.
    Hey,

    That means you and that nut-job from Libya have something in common!
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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