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    Climate e-mail hack 'will impact on Copenhagen summit'

    E-mails hacked from a climate research institute suggest climate change does not have a human cause, according to Saudi Arabia's lead climate negotiator.

    Mohammad Al-Sabban told BBC News that the issue will have a "huge impact" on next week's UN climate summit, with countries unwilling to cut emissions.

    Scientists say the e-mails from the University of East Anglia do not alter the picture of man-made warming.

    Meanwhile, India has set a target for curbing the rise in its CO2 emissions.

    Environment minister Jairam Ramesh pledged to cut India's emissions intensity - the amount of greenhouse gases produced for every unit of GDP - by 20-25% by 2020, "if we get support from the international community".

    Human impact denied

    The e-mails issue arose two weeks ago when hundreds of messages between scientists at the university's Climatic Research Unit (CRU) and their peers around the world were posted on the world wide web, along with other documents.

    It appears that the material was hacked or leaked; a police investigation has yet to reveal which.

    CRU maintains one of the world's most important datasets on how global temperatures have changed.

    Climate "sceptics" have claimed that the e-mails undermine the scientific case for climate change being caused by humanity's greenhouse gas emissions, dubbing the issue "ClimateGate".

    But it has not until now materialised as an issue likely to influence the Copenhagen negotiations, which are supposed to agree a new global deal on combating climate change to supplant the Kyoto Protocol.

    Saudi Arabia is an influential member of the G77/China bloc which leads the "developing world" side in many elements of the UN negotiations.

    Mr Al-Sabban made clear that he expects it to derail the single biggest objective of the summit - to agree limitations on greenhouse gas emissions.
    I believe its happening, of course, but ive never believed it was because of us. Maybe this will clean up the misconception that the e-mails said Global warming IS NOT happening when as a matter of fact the e-mails suggested IT WAS happening, but not because of Humans.

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    Re: Climate e-mail hack 'will impact on Copenhagen summit'

    IT WAS happening, but not because of Humans.
    It's because of all that cow flatulence.

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    Re: Climate e-mail hack 'will impact on Copenhagen summit'

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    I believe its happening, of course, but ive never believed it was because of us. Maybe this will clean up the misconception that the e-mails said Global warming IS NOT happening when as a matter of fact the e-mails suggested IT WAS happening, but not because of Humans.

    BBC News - Climate e-mail hack 'will impact on Copenhagen summit'
    Studies say it's warming then studies say it's cooling. Fact is Studies of mans influence are coming out thousands of years too soon to tell an accurate story. We just haven't been here longer enough to know. If you look at the weather history of the planet it has heated up plenty of time before we even got here.

    Then it cooled down with out our help. This idea that Cap and Trade will do any good is as big a HOAX as has ever come along.

    The thing is this environmentally ill wackos like Obama and Gore (who is in hiding right now) are going to pretend the emails never existed and go about their HOAX as planned.

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    Re: Climate e-mail hack 'will impact on Copenhagen summit'

    If that data was worth a damn, they wouldn't have to fudge it.
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    Re: Climate e-mail hack 'will impact on Copenhagen summit'

    So the biggest oil producer in the world says that the hacked e-mail's will have an impact.. like he is unbiased...
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    Re: Climate e-mail hack 'will impact on Copenhagen summit'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So the biggest oil producer in the world says that the hacked e-mail's will have an impact.. like he is unbiased...
    As unbiased as a UEA professor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    As unbiased as a UEA professor.
    Frankly yes. The Saudis and all other oil producers are against this summit and what it might achieve because it will effect them financially.

    Not to mention this whole "scandal" is very suspicious. You do know that the evidence is that it was Russians who hacked the webserver right? And do the Russians have a vested interest in keeping the status quo? yes or no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Frankly yes. The Saudis and all other oil producers are against this summit and what it might achieve because it will effect them financially.

    Not to mention this whole "scandal" is very suspicious. You do know that the evidence is that it was Russians who hacked the webserver right? And do the Russians have a vested interest in keeping the status quo? yes or no?
    Those pesky Russians!

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    Re: Climate e-mail hack 'will impact on Copenhagen summit'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Frankly yes. The Saudis and all other oil producers are against this summit and what it might achieve because it will effect them financially.

    Not to mention this whole "scandal" is very suspicious. You do know that the evidence is that it was Russians who hacked the webserver right? And do the Russians have a vested interest in keeping the status quo? yes or no?
    Irrelevant, the profs already admitted to the accuracy of the emails. You do know that don't you? FAIL
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Irrelevant, the profs already admitted to the accuracy of the emails. You do know that don't you? FAIL
    And so what? There has been an admittance by one person as far as I know that the e-mails were his, but taken out of context... not to mention a decade old. It still does not change the fact that they were illegally obtained by unknown parties and not all emails have been verified as genuine yet. I will wait for the investigation before claiming a "smoking gun", unlike you and your right wing cohorts.

    But that does not change the fact that the Saudi representative has a vested interest in derailing anything that can hit his country on the bottom line and keep countries addicted to oil.

    The UK met office will this week release the raw data used in most reports on global warming.. so now we will be able to see those too... want to try to debunk those if they prove you wrong?
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