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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It clearly is evidence against his claim that gay people are not created.
    Not sure what you mean by "created." Whether it's nature or nurture or some combination, you could say that it was "created" in some sense. He's talking specifically about a genetic cause, and it's clear that brain scan studies don't address that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If you want to get into genetics, we can start linking to studies showing that gays tend to follow a maternal line.
    I can think of lots of things that might tend to follow a maternal line that have no genetic basis... e.g. cleaning habits, nurturing skills, parenting philosophies, etc.

    Like brain scan studies, such research tends to show only correlation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Not sure what you mean by "created." Whether it's nature or nurture or some combination, you could say that it was "created" in some sense. He's talking specifically about a genetic cause, and it's clear that brain scan studies don't address that.
    It is his term, not mine. Since the brain scan study suggests that the differences in brain scan go back as early as in the womb, I would say that eliminates most environmental causes.


    I can think of lots of things that might tend to follow a maternal line that have no genetic basis... e.g. cleaning habits, nurturing skills, parenting philosophies, etc.

    Like brain scan studies, such research tends to show only correlation.
    Over multiple generations?
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    We need the, ‘get government out of marriage bill.’
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    Re: Lots of people are legally excluded from marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Typical Liberal and DD.....When you lose a point tou attack the messenger........
    How can I make it any more clear?

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    (AND....I even gave you a bunch of links that you could use to make it easier).
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is his term, not mine. Since the brain scan study suggests that the differences in brain scan go back as early as in the womb, I would say that eliminates most environmental causes.
    That's still not saying much. There are countless environmental factors still in play.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Geraldo just this morning made the point that the latino population in new york was a big factor because they are, as a group, so traditional. If I remember correctly black churches were identified as a cause of a similar bill in california just a couple of years ago. How ironic if true. All loyal democratic party factions all completely opposed to each other.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    We need the, ‘get government out of marriage bill.’
    Nah. There's a strong societal interest in having government involved. Though I'm sure Tiger is agreeing with you right now, having (potentially) screwed away a good chunk of his fortune.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Nah. There's a strong societal interest in having government involved.
    For what logical reason? Who are politicians to tell a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, that their love is not on par with a heterosexual couple and therefore marriage is not an option? Leave it to the states.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    We need the, ‘get government out of marriage bill.’
    Exactly right. As We the People, amend your state Constitutions, define marriage as a society, word it properly so no court can overturn or find unconstitutional...and move on.
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    Re: Lots of people are legally excluded from marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    How can I make it any more clear?

    Oh...that's right, Navy...you are one of the ones who refuse to educate yourself on Equal Protection analysis. I almost forgot.
    (AND....I even gave you a bunch of links that you could use to make it easier).
    Equal protection was handled by the DOMA...that is still federal law.

    No state (or other political subdivision within the United States) needs to treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.
    The federal government defines marriage as a legal union exclusively between one man and one woman.
    Why educate on any equal protection clause or "analysis" when it clearly doesn't apply for marriage?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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