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New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

Re: Lots of people are legally excluded from marriage.

Right, Example: 1st Amendment doesn't protect the speech you like, it protects the speech you don't like. :D

Well, sorta. It protects both.
 
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Your concerned unless the people happen to be Conservatives or in the military then all bets are off...........

That's absolute BS and you know it Navy. I have more respect for the people in the military than you ever will. The lack of respect that you have for many in the military has been displayed by you time and again even very recently in your posts. You constantly degrade the military service of those you disagree with, even people that post on this board.

As for conservatives...I may not agree with their policies, but I have great deal of respect for true "conservatives". The people who often take on the label these days to promote the extreme discriminatory social agenda of the right-wing, I have no respect for due to the fact that they stand against the concept of "liberty and justice for ALL".
 
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I remember a talk once when I was in the Navy. A KKK rally was in the news, and some one commented that it pissed them off that we were defending the rights of those assholes. The reply, which was spot on, was that if you are defending the rights of anything less than everyone in the country, you where defending the rights of no one.

So yes, I am concerned even if it's conservatives, and very much if it is military personnel.

I will take your word for it I just don't see many Liberals in this forum with that attitude..I have found that Liberals like to help everyone with hand outs as long as its the taxpayers money used to pay for theem and not thir own............
 
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I have found that Liberals like to help everyone with hand outs as long as its the taxpayers money used to pay for them and not their own............

Yet another BS statement. If taxpayers money is being used, last I checked liberals DO pay taxes and it is also their money being used.
 
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Yet another BS statement. If taxpayers money is being used, last I checked liberals DO pay taxes and it is also their money being used.

His point, as fickle as it may be, is that it's ALL the Taxpayer's money. And I don't care what you do with your own money on your own time, but I'd rather the government not take my money and put it towards crappy investments, i.e. the downtrodden. Out of all the taxes I've paid in to the government, all I've seen back to myself was a check saying that they made a mistake and I owe more. :lol:

Perhaps charity is not the best business for a Government to be involved in, or in this case to be so heavily involved in.
 
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His point, as fickle as it may be, is that it's ALL the Taxpayer's money. And I don't care what you do with your own money on your own time, but I'd rather the government not take my money and put it towards crappy investments, i.e. the downtrodden. Out of all the taxes I've paid in to the government, all I've seen back to myself was a check saying that they made a mistake and I owe more. :lol:

Perhaps charity is not the best business for a Government to be involved in, or in this case to be so heavily involved in.

You may not like it, but do you think I wanted my taxpayer money going for the war in Iraq? No, I didn't, but we don't get to pick and choose.

His statement was acting like all the conservatives in the country pay taxes and their money is used for things they don't want. Well, guess what? Liberal taxpayer's money gets used for things they don't want either.
 
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You may not like it, but do you think I wanted my taxpayer money going for the war in Iraq? No, I didn't, but we don't get to pick and choose.

His statement was acting like all the conservatives in the country pay taxes and their money is used for things they don't want. Well, guess what? Liberal taxpayer's money gets used for things they don't want either.

Yeah, have you ever seen that "Death and Taxes" chart? I almost shat myself when I saw how much money when to certain things. Perhaps we should make only the basic services paid for by taxes, and let people sign up or 'subscribe' to everything else like we do with licenses or permits...
 
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I will take your word for it I just don't see many Liberals in this forum with that attitude.

This is because you blind yourself to things not convenient to your world view.
 
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I will take your word for it I just don't see many Liberals in this forum with that attitude..I have found that Liberals like to help everyone with hand outs as long as its the taxpayers money used to pay for theem and not thir own............

Liberals don't pay taxes themselves?
 
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Liberals don't pay taxes themselves?

Of course not! Haven't you heard?! Liberals don't pay taxes, they lie, cheat, steal, give other people's money to the less qualified, steal elections, lie some more, club baby seals, and steal children from good Christian families in the middle of the night to sell them into slavery, white children only, cause ya know it's racist to enslave black children.
 
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Liberals don't pay taxes themselves?
Did you not follow any of Obama's cabinet appointments? :ssst:
 
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You have to understand the analysis to understand....but simply put, Polygamists are not viewed as a "suspect class", gays have not been recognized as a "suspect class" either, however, the Court has showed an increasing trend to apply the intermediate level of analysis in issues related to sexual orientation.

An "intermediate level of analysis?"

Thus, in the case of polygamy, the government would only have to show a "legitimate" state interest to support the discrimination....in the case of gay marriage, the Court would likely require the government to show an "important" state interest to support the discrimination. Neither would receive strict scrutiny which would require a compelling state interest.

How about the State's Constitution......for an important state interest? How about the Court "interpret" our laws as the courts were designed to do, the interests of We the People that should be the state's compelling interest here...the number 1 state interest.... in deciding how our society defines marriage.
 
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Of course not! Haven't you heard?! Liberals don't pay taxes, they lie, cheat, steal, give other people's money to the less qualified, steal elections, lie some more, club baby seals, and steal children from good Christian families in the middle of the night to sell them into slavery, white children only, cause ya know it's racist to enslave black children.

Oh. Never mind. :doh
 
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Did you not follow any of Obama's cabinet appointments? :ssst:

Okay, you got me there.
 
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Did you not follow any of Obama's cabinet appointments? :ssst:

Or the Senate. Or the House of Representatives. Or many elected Offices. Or many bureaucratic jobs...

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