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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No one needs to ease in to anything.
    The easing has been done for decades. At some point it's time to stop "easing", and get moving. Yeah, times are better than 30 years ago when gays not being able to get jobs and housing was not uncommon, but somehow saying "well, at least you are not treated totally ****ty" is not rally an accomplishment.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The easing has been done for decades. At some point it's time to stop "easing", and get moving. Yeah, times are better than 30 years ago when gays not being able to get jobs and housing was not uncommon, but somehow saying "well, at least you are not treated totally ****ty" is not rally an accomplishment.
    That's exactly how I feel about it. And I think we are at a moment in time that is ripe for a crushing defeat to true bigotry on all fronts. Not only are gays not attacked like they used to be but we are a courted political and marketing force now. Our dollar and our votes are looked at as important. We have a black president in the white house and our society is struggling toward pluralism and cultural integration.

    Forces of intolerance and groups that clearly lobby for inequality are only being funded by religious zealots and fundamental nutjobs who have shown themselves to be more interested in their agenda rather than the morality they claim drives the agenda. All over the country, groups like Focus on the Family, NARTH, and other family values organizations are losing all credibility as their leaders are exposing themselves, in the best cases, as fallible human beings and, in the worst cases, as fraudulent charlatans. The zealous devotion that holds them together is being frayed by realism and the acceptance that eventually they are going to lose anyway.

    I don't think this fight is going to last another decade. Maybe 15 years at most and we will have full marriage for everyone in this country. I also believe in another 50 years most bigotry and intolerance will be thought of as being sooooo last century.

    But I can be something of an optimist at times so take what I say with a grain of salt.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No one needs to ease in to anything.
    You ever tried anal sex with no lube and just ramming it on home? it hurts for the asshole getting ****ed and dick doing the ****ing. :\

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It's not like gay marriage being legal will equate to everyone having to get gay married and have homosex.People need to just back the **** off and realize that moral disapproval is no grounds for legislating inequality. And the only way to stop the attempts is to give the exact same status to both sides right down to the name itself.

    But honestly, if they hadn't tried so damned hard to deny us the civil unions to start with, the fight wouldn't be at their very doorsteps over the word itself today. The only reason the other side claims it's over the word is because they have seen now that it is a possibility...a probability and they are trying to cut their losses.

    All this puffed up crooning that it's gotten voted down in each state is just false bravado. They know that this balance is shifting out of their favor and its gonna take more and more money to be tossed at the issue to keep winning it. And guess what: eventually, the money dries up and the voting pool gives way to a new generation. And when that happens, they lose. For good.
    I agree with you man, but you have to learn to manipulate the system to get what you want otherwise you're going to have to actually work hard for it and push this asinine debate farther and farther until like you said, the New Generation shows up.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The easing has been done for decades. At some point it's time to stop "easing", and get moving. Yeah, times are better than 30 years ago when gays not being able to get jobs and housing was not uncommon, but somehow saying "well, at least you are not treated totally ****ty" is not rally an accomplishment.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    'Family Ties' Mom Meredith Baxter Joins Group of Later-in-Life Lesbians

    A 'Family Ties' Mom Meredith Baxter Reveals She's a Lesbian - ABC News

    woman changes from straight to gay after 3 marriages

    "I am a lesbian and it was a later-in-life recognition," Baxter said on NBC's "Today" show. "Some people would say, well, you're living a lie and, you know, the truth is -- not at all. This has only been for the past seven years."

    Baxter, 62 and thrice divorced, came out following the National Enquirer's November report that she was spotted "traveling with a female friend" on a Caribbean cruise sponsored by lesbian travel company Sweet.
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    Changing to gay isn't the same as choosing to be gay.

    She realized she was gay. She didn't sit down and say "you know, life is boring, I think I'll go gay." That's ridiculous.

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    'Family Ties' Mom Meredith Baxter Joins Group of Later-in-Life Lesbians

    A 'Family Ties' Mom Meredith Baxter Reveals She's a Lesbian - ABC News

    woman changes from straight to gay after 3 marriages

    "I am a lesbian and it was a later-in-life recognition," Baxter said on NBC's "Today" show. "Some people would say, well, you're living a lie and, you know, the truth is -- not at all. This has only been for the past seven years."

    Baxter, 62 and thrice divorced, came out following the National Enquirer's November report that she was spotted "traveling with a female friend" on a Caribbean cruise sponsored by lesbian travel company Sweet.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's exactly how I feel about it. And I think we are at a moment in time that is ripe for a crushing defeat to true bigotry on all fronts. Not only are gays not attacked like they used to be but we are a courted political and marketing force now. Our dollar and our votes are looked at as important. We have a black president in the white house and our society is struggling toward pluralism and cultural integration.

    Forces of intolerance and groups that clearly lobby for inequality are only being funded by religious zealots and fundamental nutjobs who have shown themselves to be more interested in their agenda rather than the morality they claim drives the agenda. All over the country, groups like Focus on the Family, NARTH, and other family values organizations are losing all credibility as their leaders are exposing themselves, in the best cases, as fallible human beings and, in the worst cases, as fraudulent charlatans. The zealous devotion that holds them together is being frayed by realism and the acceptance that eventually they are going to lose anyway.

    I don't think this fight is going to last another decade. Maybe 15 years at most and we will have full marriage for everyone in this country. I also believe in another 50 years most bigotry and intolerance will be thought of as being sooooo last century.

    But I can be something of an optimist at times so take what I say with a grain of salt.
    Agreed Jall, but I hope it happens soon with the marriage thing. I'm not sure about bigotry though. Ignorant people will always be fearful of the "other."
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Changing to gay isn't the same as choosing to be gay.

    She realized she was gay. She didn't sit down and say "you know, life is boring, I think I'll go gay." That's ridiculous.
    Yeah after 3 marriages and a half dozens kids she found out she was gay.........
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    'Family Ties' Mom Meredith Baxter Joins Group of Later-in-Life Lesbians

    A 'Family Ties' Mom Meredith Baxter Reveals She's a Lesbian - ABC News

    woman changes from straight to gay after 3 marriages

    "I am a lesbian and it was a later-in-life recognition," Baxter said on NBC's "Today" show. "Some people would say, well, you're living a lie and, you know, the truth is -- not at all. This has only been for the past seven years."

    Baxter, 62 and thrice divorced, came out following the National Enquirer's November report that she was spotted "traveling with a female friend" on a Caribbean cruise sponsored by lesbian travel company Sweet.
    Perhaps she's bisexual and doesn't quite know what to call it. Some people are attracted to both sexes.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Agreed Jall, but I hope it happens soon with the marriage thing. I'm not sure about bigotry though. Ignorant people will always be fearful of the "other."
    You ****ing lefties crack me up, and we on the right are suppose to be the intolerant ones.............Yeah right.......
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