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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Nice circular argument.
    Not a circular argument. Its reality. To deny it is to deny the simple fact around the basis for most law.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Race and Homosexuality are not the same. You cannot compare something proven to be genetic to something that never has been.

    I know its a classic fallacy of the left to pretend race and homosexuality are equal but they aren't.
    You can't choose your race, but sometimes you can and sometimes you can't choose what gives you that tingling in your loins...

    amirite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    That wasn't even close to the point. Nature has made men attracted to women and women attractive to men for procreation. Heterosexuality has a rock solid basis in nature. Homosexuality does not either in nature or genetics.
    This is what we call an opinion, not based in fact. There is significant evidence that at least some people are created gay, and that would be nature at work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    That's not at all what I said.
    Thats exactly what you said. I quote you:

    Sex isn't just for the purposes of procreation. If it were, it wouldn't feel good.

    You are somehow trying to split the natural pleasure of heterosexual sex away from procreation and its not going to fly.

    Nor is that. Is this how you think you win arguments, by making up positions that the other person never had?
    I'm asking you a question. If you aren't able to clarify your general misleading comments then don't respond. Either answer the question or walk away. Your choice.

    My comment was specifically aimed at people who oppose it for religious reasons. It's not my fault that you failed at reading comprehension and were unable to see that.
    I see you are one of these debaters that has to be reminded of their own words:

    I also don't think that any religion should be able to get their anti-gay marriage ideology legislated. No single religion holds a monopoly on marriage and what the definition of it is. End of story.

    End of story? The point I made to you is that religious reasons are not the only reason so no, its not "end of story"

    Please go back and re-read your own posts before I have to do it for you again.

    Oh and you think that the arguments against gay marriage are based in facts?
    Absolutely and I gave you my reasons. You weren't brave enough to address them head on. Pretty typical of someone with your lack of factual backing for your arguments.

    You are trying to be obtuse in order to prove your failed point. I specifically said consenting adults. A 16 year old kid isn't a consenting adult. Please, try to stay on topic.
    You still aren't getting it are you? Why are you limiting it to consenting adults?

    Please say because its the law... Please...

    Society did no such thing. Are people who are pro-gay marriage not a part of society?
    Um 31-0 Thats the times gay marriage has been put out there for the people to decide and thats how many times they have said no to gay marriage.

    And see since people have voted in 31 states 31 times and said no I think society has spoken.

    Or are you going to now proclaim 31 voter based propositions aren't members of society?

    Give it up. You lost this pages ago. If you wish to further embarrass yourself however by all means keep going.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    You can't choose your race, but sometimes you can and sometimes you can't choose what gives you that tingling in your loins...

    amirite?
    I see the homophobes and bigots are still at it.

    Sexual orientation is a hard-wired personality trait. You can't choose it any more than you can choose if you're left-handed or right-handed.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is what we call an opinion, not based in fact. There is significant evidence that at least some people are created gay, and that would be nature at work.
    There is no evidence people are created gay. To beleive that is to believe a fallacy.

    There is no genetic study anywhere proving even 60% of only homosexuals (60% because I'm so generous not asking for 90 or 100% certainty) showing them to carry any genetic trait so your statement is flat out false unless you can prove otherwise.

    And we know you can't.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I see the homophobes and bigots are still at it.

    Sexual orientation is a hard-wired personality trait. You can't choose it any more than you can choose if you're left-handed or right-handed.
    And your factual and scientific basis is where?

    I love it when you guys make these statements as if they are fact with zero backing.

    BTW, bigot is someone who is intolerant of another person's viewpoint so welcome to the club.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is what we call an opinion, not based in fact. There is significant evidence that at least some people are created gay, and that would be nature at work.
    Bull****. You are not created knowing what gets you off as a 100% definite. All sorts of things from genetic makeup, experiences, and societal influences, etc. all play a role in deciding what gets you that tingling in your loins.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Thats exactly what you said. I quote you:

    Sex isn't just for the purposes of procreation. If it were, it wouldn't feel good.

    You are somehow trying to split the natural pleasure of heterosexual sex away from procreation and its not going to fly.
    Oh, so now you are saying that pleasure can't be derived from homosexual sex?

    I'm asking you a question. If you aren't able to clarify your general misleading comments then don't respond. Either answer the question or walk away. Your choice.
    No, you are misquoting me and then using these incorrect quotes to form arguments and I'm sorry, but that's just not going to fly. I'm more than happy to engage in an actual discussion with you, but when you use dishonest tactics like these I'm not interested. So, what is it going to be?

    I see you are one of these debaters that has to be reminded of their own words:

    I also don't think that any religion should be able to get their anti-gay marriage ideology legislated. No single religion holds a monopoly on marriage and what the definition of it is. End of story.

    End of story? The point I made to you is that religious reasons are not the only reason so no, its not "end of story"
    Yes, and as I said before, I was specifically referring to people who are against gay marriage for religious reasons. I never said that that was the ONLY reason that people are against gay marriage. Obviously, that wasn't clear for you. It's not my fault you have comprehension issues.

    Please go back and re-read your own posts before I have to do it for you again.
    Oh, you mean so you don't have to go back and misquote me some more? Come back when you actually have something legitimate to add to the discussion.

    Absolutely and I gave you my reasons. You weren't brave enough to address them head on. Pretty typical of someone with your lack of factual backing for your arguments.
    Oh, so now your opinions are facts?

    You still aren't getting it are you? Why are you limiting it to consenting adults?

    Please say because its the law... Please...
    Um... I'm limiting it to consenting adults because adults can give consent. Kids can't. Again, please stay on topic. I'm not going to get into a semantics argument based on your obtuse views.

    Um 31-0 Thats the times gay marriage has been put out there for the people to decide and thats how many times they have said no to gay marriage.
    So what? Do you really think it's going to stay that way? People progress over time. The amount of people who support gay marriage has increased dramatically over the last 20 years. We've come quite a long way and will continue to do so.

    And see since people have voted in 31 states 31 times and said no I think society has spoken.

    Or are you going to now proclaim 31 voter based propositions aren't members of society?
    Once again, misrepresenting what I said. What a shock!

    Give it up. You lost this pages ago. If you wish to further embarrass yourself however by all means keep going.
    I honestly get a kick out of people like you. If you seriously want to delude yourself into thinking you somehow won by misrepresenting what I said, be my guest.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I see the homophobes and bigots are still at it.

    Sexual orientation is a hard-wired personality trait. You can't choose it any more than you can choose if you're left-handed or right-handed.
    Really, I guess I must be the one exception to the rule. I'm into things now that I was never into before, things that originally I was not turned on by or even turned off by, and vice versa.

    EDIT: I can smell the ****storm brewing...No wait, that's my hot chocolate! brb.
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