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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Here you are telling blatant lies again and pulling statistics out of your ass.
    Sigh. School is out again I see.

    You already had to retract the liar comment before. Do you really want to go down this road again, me demanding evidence of my lies and you running away like some 4 year old?

    Studies with drosophilia indicate that a gene on the right arm of the third chromosome ironically called "fruitless", determines courtship patterns and sexuality. If there is such a gene in the drosophilia, it is not far fetched to believe that there is a similar compelling genetic factor in human sexuality.

    Since 1973, it has been accepted fact that certain compounds found in nature called "endocrine disruptors" play a a huge role in determining gender assignment in fish and other reptiles and also in influencing sexuality in greater cats in the wild. These endocrine disruptors are found in more heavy concentrations in the human food supply due to our use of artificial growth hormones and antibiotics.
    hahhahahahahaha

    I love it when people like you cite this study.

    First of all it did not make flies gay.

    Since you obviosuly didn't read the study..

    Yael Grosjean et al. (1) report that this homosexual - or more accurately bisexual - behavior in fruit flies is controlled by glutamatergic synapse strength, i.e., ambient levels of glutamate in the nervous system. Glutamate is what's known as an "excitatory amino acid." It plays an important role as a neurotransmitter in the brain. Glutamate levels in the fly's nervous system are regulated at least in part by an amino-acid transport protein in the glia, the non-excitatory cells that feed and care for neurons. That transport protein is encoded by the genderblind allele.

    Sexual behaviors, and variations thereof, for both fruit flies and mice are strongly influenced by pheromones which in turn trigger specific proteins in the nervous system. However, the mechanisms are quite different: one relies on glutamate levels as influenced by a transport protein and the other by a relatively non-specific calcium permeable ion channel. Kinda complex, isn't it? Suffice it to say that transport proteins and ion channels are different beasts.


    The stupidity of this as "evidence" to mammals much less humans would be hysterical if it wasn't so sad.

    *hint* Pssst hey jallman. Flies and humans are different species. See flies are part of the insect family. Humans are mammals and now I know this part is a little hard for you to fathom, but there are a few differences between the two that go a little beyond mating practices.

    Now on to my personal favorite. The twins studies.

    Further, twins studies consistently show a pattern of higher rates of homosexuality in identical twins than in fraternal twins, indicating a genetic factor.
    Yes now lets look at the FACTS from your own study.

    A number of studies have looked at homosexuality in twins, all with similar results. For example, in one study, if one identical twin was gay, the other was also gay 50% of the time. If they were fraternal twins, they were both gay 22% of the time. And if one was adopted, the chances fell to 11%.

    Now these numbers are from one study. Other studies have different percentages but the same trend—identical twins are more likely to both be gay as compared to fraternal twins.

    This strongly suggests that there is a genetic component—there is something in their genes that makes them more likely to be gay. Genetics, though, isn't everything.


    So this bull**** can't even be proven 50% of the time much less the very generous number I set at 60% and this is just twins!

    And he even admits TWINS have the EXACT SAME GENETIC MAKEUP!

    And isn't it interesting how drastic the number drops off when the TWINS are separated?

    Now don't get me wrong, I love a good laugh but these arguments you are making have been destroyed so many times over its hard not to feel sorry for you.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    [opinion]
    You aren't "Homosexual" anymore than you are "Sado Masochistic". it's not a definition of a person, it's something you are into. Ya dig? Homosexuality is a fetish. Same-Sex love is a whole different level of intimacy, that while sometimes includes homosexual activity, they are not mutually exclusive.
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    that first sentence is confusing, I know.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Personally, I could care less whether it's genetic or not. Being attracted to someone of the same sex is just as legitimate as being attracted to the opposite sex.
    No it isn't. One is something nature deisgned for the procreation of the speicies. The other has absoltuely no scientfic basis in genetics whatsoever.

    I have yet to see a legitimate argument from anyone as to why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed. I don't think that the government should step in and force every church to recognize homosexual marriage if it is against their ideology. I also don't think that any religion should be able to get their anti-gay marriage ideology legislated. No single religion holds a monopoly on marriage and what the definition of it is. End of story.
    This is classic. Anyone who doesn't agree with gay marriage is basing it on religious conditions?

    I'm certainly not.

    And your caveat that you haven't see a legitimate argument is just as ridiculous to say since legitimate argument itself is a personally defined statement.

    I'm against gay marriage because if you allow it in you cannot stop any other alternative lifestyle from demanding the same thing.

    I'm all for civil unions however and religion never played into this for me.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You have to be kidding me..........Murtha is a crook and Kerry is a habitual liar.......
    Well you've never been known to be one who respects the military.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Sigh. School is out again I see.

    You already had to retract the liar comment before. Do you really want to go down this road again, me demanding evidence of my lies and you running away like some 4 year old?



    hahhahahahahaha

    I love it when people like you cite this study.

    First of all it did not make flies gay.

    Since you obviosuly didn't read the study..

    Yael Grosjean et al. (1) report that this homosexual - or more accurately bisexual - behavior in fruit flies is controlled by glutamatergic synapse strength, i.e., ambient levels of glutamate in the nervous system. Glutamate is what's known as an "excitatory amino acid." It plays an important role as a neurotransmitter in the brain. Glutamate levels in the fly's nervous system are regulated at least in part by an amino-acid transport protein in the glia, the non-excitatory cells that feed and care for neurons. That transport protein is encoded by the genderblind allele.

    Sexual behaviors, and variations thereof, for both fruit flies and mice are strongly influenced by pheromones which in turn trigger specific proteins in the nervous system. However, the mechanisms are quite different: one relies on glutamate levels as influenced by a transport protein and the other by a relatively non-specific calcium permeable ion channel. Kinda complex, isn't it? Suffice it to say that transport proteins and ion channels are different beasts.


    The stupidity of this as "evidence" to mammals much less humans would be hysterical if it wasn't so sad.
    All you did here was demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of why drosophilia is used for genetic studies and how those studies relate to himan beings.

    As far as I am concerned, you can be thrown in the same pile of useless posters who aren't interested in debate (or possibly lack the depth of thought to offer true debate) as Charlie "Neener" Martel, Whip Comes Down, Scarecrow, and the other loons we have around here.

    I am just highly amused at the total confidence with which you spew utter nonsense. If I've gotten anything out of our brief interaction besides a diminished faith in the overall intelligence of our "conservative" posters, it was a hearty laugh at how shallow and lacking in understanding one can be while still feigning a know it all attitude.

    Why don't you do yourself a favor...check out the drosophilia and how many genetic studies are tied directly to it and why. Then you might not appear to be a slavering idiot when you speak. I'm sure you are a smart guy so you only do yourself a disservice when you present yourself as being this dense.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You have to be kidding me..........Murtha is a crook and Kerry is a habitual liar.......
    So that makes them not decorated veterans, or supporters of our troops?

    Logic is your friend, don't abuse it.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    No it isn't. One is something nature deisgned for the procreation of the speicies. The other has absoltuely no scientfic basis in genetics whatsoever.
    Sex isn't just for the purposes of procreation. If it were, it wouldn't feel good. What about hetero couples who are unable or unwilling to reproduce, should we make it so they can't be married either? Prove that it has no scientific basis in genetics. They did do a study and found out that there was no specific gay gene, but that's about it. Find me an unbiased scientific study that says what you are asserting here.

    This is classic. Anyone who doesn't agree with gay marriage is basing it on religious conditions?

    I'm certainly not.
    That's not what I said, is it? I was referring specifically to people who oppose gay marriage for religious reasons...which makes up quite a large number of people who oppose gay marriage.

    And your caveat that you haven't see a legitimate argument is just as ridiculous to say since legitimate argument itself is a personally defined statement.
    Over the years I've seen a lot of arguments against gay marriage, and not one of them has been legitimate or worthwhile. Most of it is based in unwarranted paranoia.

    I'm against gay marriage because if you allow it in you cannot stop any other alternative lifestyle from demanding the same thing.
    Case in point. What other lifestyles are you referring to? Are you specifically referring to polygamy? If so, I have no problem with that being legalized either. As long as consenting adults are involved I see no problem.

    I'm all for civil unions however and religion never played into this for me.
    Good for you.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So that makes them not decorated veterans, or supporters of our troops?

    Logic is your friend, don't abuse it.
    No. Their actions do that for them.

    Kerry supported anti war vets with unproven stories of abuse.

    He pretended to throw over his own medals then was discovered he threw someone else's.

    Kerry claimed only stupid people get "stuck in Iraq"

    Then he claimed our soldiers were terrorizing Iraqi civilians in the middle of the night.

    Murtha is probably the worst next to Durbin with his Nazi comparison to our troops.

    Murtha tried and convicted Marines publically of murdering civilians in Iraq only to be proven later wrong and never apologized for it.

    He is scum and neither support our troops based on their actions, not their words in a political speech.


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    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    No. Their actions do that for them.

    Kerry supported anti war vets with unproven stories of abuse.

    He pretended to throw over his own medals then was discovered he threw someone else's.

    Kerry claimed only stupid people get "stuck in Iraq"

    Then he claimed our soldiers were terrorizing Iraqi civilians in the middle of the night.
    Uh, yeah. Right.

    Murtha is probably the worst next to Durbin with his Nazi comparison to our troops.

    Murtha tried and convicted Marines publically of murdering civilians in Iraq only to be proven later wrong and never apologized for it.

    He is scum and neither support our troops based on their actions, not their words in a political speech.
    Yeah, that actually happened. It's unfortunate, but it doesn't make him not a decorated veteran.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    No. Their actions do that for them.

    Kerry supported anti war vets with unproven stories of abuse.

    He pretended to throw over his own medals then was discovered he threw someone else's.

    Kerry claimed only stupid people get "stuck in Iraq"

    Then he claimed our soldiers were terrorizing Iraqi civilians in the middle of the night.

    Murtha is probably the worst next to Durbin with his Nazi comparison to our troops.

    Murtha tried and convicted Marines publically of murdering civilians in Iraq only to be proven later wrong and never apologized for it.

    He is scum and neither support our troops based on their actions, not their words in a political speech.


    Assumption is not your friend.
    You are obviously one who thinks the swift-boat liars were heroes. Right?
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