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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    You were getting pretty close last night. I'll just settle for you being belligerently staunch in your views with moments of clarity
    Staunch I am.

    Last night I was just frustrated, justifiably I think.

    Hey, no kissing until we're married, or at least civil unioned.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The law should be.

    But this isn't really a fairness issue. Marriage isn't a "right" in the sense that anyone should have legal blessing to marry anyone else, otherwise we wouldn't have any marriage qualifications at all. (That said, I do agree with Va. v. Loving, before anyone brings it up).
    The law isn't supposed to create fairness rather it's to protect those who cannot protect themselves or get what they need. Marriage as a word is not a need, the rights granted by it arguably are.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Staunch I am.

    Last night I was just frustrated, justifiably I think.
    Yeah, I saw it in most of your posts, there was a kind of GRRRRR energy coming off you

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Hey, no kissing until we're married, or at least civil unioned.
    BAH! FINE!

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Rights are never equal if they are seperate. We already learned this lesson once.
    Rights are afforded equally, I'm heterosexual, I cannot marry within gender either.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Yeah, I saw it in most of your posts, there was a kind of GRRRRR energy coming off you
    Yeah, well, when you explain over and over something that is indisputable fact (incorporation of the 14th amendment as accepted legal doctrine) and people just come back with the same old stuff base on their ignorance, it gets old. You can disagree with it, but don't tell me it doesn't exist.

    Then there was the guy who thought "respecting an establishment of religion" meant I had respect for something.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Rights are afforded equally, I'm heterosexual, I cannot marry within gender either.
    Just like blacks had schools and whites had schools, and everyone had the right to go to school, right?

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yeah, well, when you explain over and over something that is indisputable fact (incorporation of the 14th amendment as accepted legal doctrine) and people just come back with the same old stuff base on their ignorance, it gets old. You can disagree with it, but don't tell me it doesn't exist.

    Then there was the guy who thought "respecting an establishment of religion" meant I had respect for something.
    It's hard to connect when you're using just words. Especially if other people and yourself are both sort of wrong or off base, and neither one is willing to meet in the middle. I'm guilty of this on occasion.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Just like blacks had schools and whites had schools, and everyone had the right to go to school, right?
    Not 'just like' that at all. You and I walk into any city admin and ask for a marriage license, we'll be denied on the basis of gender. So in this case, blacks cannot marry within gender either, neither can whites. Not 'just like' your school analogy at all.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    It's hard to connect when you're using just words.
    I don't know what you mean - what else can I use except words? You mean we're not in person? That's probably a good thing sometimes. On the other hand, it does enable rudeness.

    I used more than words though - I used links!

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Rights are afforded equally, I'm heterosexual, I cannot marry within gender either.
    That's the snarkiest and laziest of analyses of this issue. You ARE permitted to name your one irreplaceable person in this world based on your devotion and dedication to that one person. You get to make your choice based on your desires and not based on making sure the genitals match for baby making.

    If baby making were a standard obligation and requirement of marriage, that argument and requirement might fly. However, it is not. Marriage, as it stands today, is a contract between two people who name one another irreplaceable to each other and so united that the law treats them as one. Heterosexuals get to make that choice. Homosexuals do not.

    The rights most certainly are NOT afforded equally despite the mindless repetition of that grossly over simplified statement above.

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