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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackboot View Post
    My comment was not limited to gay marriage, but yes, I still think this is a very ignorant society, far from the progress some claim. That said, some progress is very dangerous, and is not progress at all, but a sliding back in to tyranny.
    Many are ignorant within our society, which is why progress is slow. I think it is inevitable, though. I can see your point, but I don't think gay marriage would fall under that "dangerous" category.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Navy is struggling with the reality that even within his lifetime he is going to see gay marriage throughout this nation. Its difficult for him to swallow.
    I think we've still got a ways to go before we see it legalized on that level. Things are bound to get far uglier before it actually happens, but I think it is inevitable.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Navy is struggling with the reality that even within his lifetime he is going to see gay marriage throughout this nation. Its difficult for him to swallow.
    I witnessed a federal DOMA law and an amendment to my State's Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.

    I personally don't think Navy or myself have anything to worry about, not in this lifetime anyway.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I witnessed a federal DOMA law and an amendment to my State's Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.

    I personally don't think Navy or myself have anything to worry about, not in this lifetime anyway.
    And I remeber when sodomy was illegal in my state. Texas.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I witnessed a federal DOMA law and an amendment to my State's Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.

    I personally don't think Navy or myself have anything to worry about, not in this lifetime anyway.
    The problem for you is that all of that is moot once the Court finds an equal protection violation....and even if that doesn't occur...public opinion is shifting rapidly and those DOMA laws and state amendments can be easily voted out as they were voted in.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The problem for you is that all of that is moot once the Court finds an equal protection violation....and even if that doesn't occur...public opinion is shifting rapidly and those DOMA laws and state amendments can be easily voted out as they were voted in.
    Actually, our Legislature went to the Court....asked what specific language to use so that the People's clear intent was known. If public opinion via a referendum or legislative measure makes same sex marriage legal, that's acceptable. What I don't want is for the Bench to Legislate, this needs to be an issue left for society to decide, our government doesn't define marriage for us, we the People define marriage, government governs with our consent.....not the other way around.

    I just don't see public opinion shifting much either, in fact, it's getting absolutely clam baked in most referendums, i mean this this state was over 60% opposed.

    Another issue that needs to be addressed here, it's often assumed people are "ignorant"...or some unknown "fear" grips them when making this decision upon entering their ballot or deciding this through representation. That's absolute poppycock. This happens to be one of the easiest and clearest decision one can make. We're all familiar with marriage, we've nearly all experienced it, we know it's value to our society. And the electorate can easily make this decision through referendum, there is no ignorance, there is no fear. And the simple fact is...even in deep blue states, same sex marriage is contemplated.....voted on...and crushed in referendum, states like California 57%+ against, many red states well over 60% against. Easily read, easily seen, clear as bell, we vote no. and I'm not afraid to inform that will be reality, for our lifetimes anyway.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Many are ignorant within our society, which is why progress is slow. I think it is inevitable, though. I can see your point, but I don't think gay marriage would fall under that "dangerous" category.
    No, the guy next door is very happy with his husband, it doesn't bother me at all.

    I will say this, they throw a great party, and are more civil then many of the other a-holes in this town, but I am in the south, so I just go with the flow...

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I witnessed a federal DOMA law and an amendment to my State's Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.

    I personally don't think Navy or myself have anything to worry about, not in this lifetime anyway.
    Uh-huh. Bet just ten or so years ago you thought you'd never see it in a single state.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    As are you if you think this issue is just going to go away because it isn't going through in a few states. It will keep going until it is made legal, and it will be. Many people thought that interracial marriage wouldn't go through, but look what happened. Society progresses, and will continue to do so.
    Yeah it went through in Maine and California until the people spoke and it was banned, in fact in any state where a vote was allowed it was defeated big time................
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Uh-huh. Bet just ten or so years ago you thought you'd never see it in a single state.
    Bet ten years ago you would have bet on a better record than 0-31 in referendum.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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