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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I imagine when you stop believing things like witches sitting on babies' chests and sucking the life out of them is the cause of crib death, it opens all manner of possibilities for enlightenment.
    Yep, that sounds about as bizarre as gay marriage. I'll give ya that.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Back this up with links or it didn't happen.
    I'm not taking a position in your discussion here, but I recall a couple of my teachers asking us to keep our questions of Clinton's affair for the upcoming sex-ed class.

    It wasn't a big deal, but it was something the student population was talking about and cracking jokes on. Looking back on it, the Clinton affair did seem to sexualize the day to day conversations more than they might have been otherwise, and that was something the teachers had to deal with.

    While I don't think my teachers ever had to explain what a blow job was, there was an unusual level of sexualisation which had to be managed.

    On balance, I don't think the average gay couple would have anywhere near the negative impact on children as Clinton did. Gay couples with children are, in my experience, relatively unheard of, whereas everyone knew who the President was. Unless the media follows every gay couple around with their 24 hour news cycle, I don't think the issue of gay-sex would have very much impact on the average student at all.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm not taking a position in your discussion here, but I recall a couple of my teachers asking us to keep our questions of Clinton's affair for the upcoming sex-ed class.

    It wasn't a big deal, but it was something the student population was talking about and cracking jokes on. Looking back on it, the Clinton affair did seem to sexualize the day to day conversations more than they might have been otherwise, and that was something the teachers had to deal with.

    While I don't think my teachers ever had to explain what a blow job was, there was an unusual level of sexualisation which had to be managed.
    OK, managed. But certainly not encouraged.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    OK, managed. But certainly not encouraged.
    No no, certainly not encouraged, not even by the sex-ed instructor.

    We actually had a fair sex-ed teacher who felt secure and free to talk about all manner of sex acts without any moral context for or against. She was pretty objective I think.

    Imo, people who object to these sex-ed programs are objecting to the the absence of an agreeable moral context. As a christian conservative I would advise any such parent to enroll their child in a private school which will provide the moral context they proffer. I think that's fair.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Imo it's the absence of a moral context which most people object to. As a christian conservative I would advise any such parent to enroll their child in a private school.
    The reason there is an absence of moral content in public schools is because people have different moral standards. I don't want my kids getting taught morality by a government employee, do you? I don't need that, I can teach it at home. Why can't you just teach morality at home too?

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The reason there is an absence of moral content in public schools is because people have different moral standards. I don't want my kids getting taught morality by a government employee, do you? I don't need that, I can teach it at home. Why can't you just teach morality at home too?
    I think one concern is that stating that one kind of union is no different than any other is a moral context.

    I would like there to be no moral context in the public school, and that means not claiming that gay 'marriage is just as valid as any other kind of 'marriage just as it means not claiming that gay 'marriage is 'wrong'.

    I would like the school to remain silent on the issue.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How did he omit it?
    Did you even read his post? I know you didn't read the article.

    "Another nail in the coffin of Gay Marriage Disney Dude."

    Except that the actual text of the article as to why it failed is because there were more important things to do. That in no way logically supports his argument.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I see nothing positive in this decision
    Really? Because in the article even the Republicans admit that the reason it did not pass was because there were more important things to worry about. That suggests that resistance against it is hardly what people like NP like to proclaim.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I think one concern is that stating that one kind of union is no different than any other is a moral context.
    But you said there was an absence of moral content. Apparently not.

    In any event, what is being said exactly, right now in a public school, about this issue?

    I would like there to be no moral context in the public school, and that means not claiming that gay 'marriage is just as valid as any other kind of 'marriage just as it means not claiming that gay 'marriage is 'wrong'.

    I would like the school to remain silent on the issue.
    I agree. I wouldn't want them to say gay marriage is, or isn't, morally valid.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You still did not give a reason why we chose that age other than it was a moral choice.
    Actually, there are sound scientific reasons to not allow people to begin making adult decisions before a certain age (exactly when that age should be is a matter of some contention). Below is a quote from a website on brain development and a link to the same website.

    Myelination of the frontal lobes is not complete until very late in adolescence. Some researchers estimate that frontal-lobe development continues until age 25 to 30. The regions in the frontal lobe which are responsible for judgment, planning, assessing risks, and decision-making are the last areas to finish developing.
    http://www.fcs.uga.edu/ext/bbb/brainTimeAdolescence.php

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Putting animals aside, Children can have jobs which some require them signing legal contracts so that argument in preventing them wont work.
    Actually, I quite agree with you here. There should be a single age of majority at which you can do anything that an adult can do. I don't like the idea of spreading it out over several years like we do now. I would even support making it non-age dependent if there was an accurate enough test of cognitive function and decision making skills.
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