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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Roger Stone's take on the whole ordeal is an interesting read. Since his blog doesnt allow links to individual posts the entry is called NY Dems Hump Gays.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Better that than to have this "imposed" on an unwilling public.
    Like ending slavery?
    How about segregation?

    Those were so awful to impose upon an unwilling public.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Reading the bill itself is essential to forming an intelligent opinion on this story either way. Do you have a link to it?
    I think you ask too much.

    Reading the article is essential to forming an intelligent opinion on the story either way:

    Note what Navy omitted:

    Senators who voted against the measure said the public was gripped by economic anxiety and remained uneasy about changing the state’s definition of marriage.

    “Certainly this is an emotional issue and an important issue for many New Yorkers,” said Senator Tom Libous, the deputy Republican leader. “I just don’t think the majority care too much about it at this time because they’re out of work, they want to see the state reduce spending, and they are having a hard time making ends meet. And I don’t mean to sound callous, but that’s true.”
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    He's referring to the troll. Can you please start thinking/reading before you type?
    You've only been here a month. Who's the troll?

    And a busy little one I see...

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    No it is most certainly not. Some gays already shove their lifestyles down our throats while some of them live in secret, and even more live open and without incident. It's not about a lifestyle it's about people's perceptions, on both sides, and not wanting to give any ground. Some gays feel entitled to the term marriage because they're whiney bitches who feel they've been wronged, (look how far that mindset got certain members of the Black community, nowhere) and Straight people feel like their way of life and the 'sanctity' of their 50%+ divorce rate is at stake.
    This post sounds like it came from an angry, bigot, homophobe...

    Go TROLL somewhere else. Or come out of the closet. Tell your folks. You might be surprised how the react.

    Dismissed, Trollster McTollstein.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    This post sounds like it came from an angry, bigot, homophobe...

    Go TROLL somewhere else. Or come out of the closet. Tell your folks. You might be surprised how the react.

    Dismissed, Trollster McTollstein.
    Do you actually disagree that some gays feel that way? Note, not all gays, but SOME gays?

    IMO, overly militant gays pushing for gay marriage do far more damage towards public opinion then anything the anti-gay marriage crowed can do.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I think you ask too much.
    Well again, I've seen articles misrepresent the actual legislation to many times to trust any media at all anymore. IMO any opinion formed on anything less than the raw data is misinformed at best.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well again, I've seen articles misrepresent the actual legislation to many times to trust any media at all anymore. IMO any opinion formed on anything less than the raw data is misinformed at best.
    While that is a true point, a direct quote from a Republican there that suggests that the reason for failure of the bill was not because of dislike of gay marriage but because there were more important things to do is hardly in line with anything Navy has tried to push here. But I've come to expect that from Navy since 2003. One must always read further into whatever he argues. 99.99% of the time, it's nothing even close.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by scottsoperson View Post

    trolls are part of freedom and democracy.
    Then message boards are the most free and democratic places on the planet.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So if a man can marry a man, can a bi-sexual marry a man AND a woman? Why should he be forced to choose? How about two men and one woman? Why should there be a limit? Why not a goat? I mean, what business is it of mine if a man wants to marry a goat?

    Sounds crazy, but so did gay marriage not too many years ago.
    Whats funny is how many pro gay marriage people don't recognize this simple fact.

    They immediately attack the underage marriage argument calling it sick when they don't even realize they just made a moral judgment on what they define as proper behavior in a society the exact same thing people who are against gay marriage do.

    The multiple partner argument they have a harder time defending keeping that out but many still wont understand the connection you are making.

    The only intellectually honest supporters of gay marriage are the ones who want to throw all moral judgments on marriage out the window and allow all alternative lifestyles the same "privilege" unless they are comfortable in the hypocrisy that their moral decision to only want gay marriage added is exactly the same moral decision those who are against gay marriage make.
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