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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If this was only about equal rights this problem could have been settled long ago.......The problem is that is not what it is about.........Its about the acceptance of a lifestyle and making it equal to a straight lifestyle and shoving that lifestyle down peoples throats who don't agree with it and that pisses people off...........
    No it is most certainly not. Some gays already shove their lifestyles down our throats while some of them live in secret, and even more live open and without incident. It's not about a lifestyle it's about people's perceptions, on both sides, and not wanting to give any ground. Some gays feel entitled to the term marriage because they're whiney bitches who feel they've been wronged, (look how far that mindset got certain members of the Black community, nowhere) and Straight people feel like their way of life and the 'sanctity' of their 50%+ divorce rate is at stake.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Another nail in the coffin of Gay Marriage Disney Dude...........


    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/03/ny...3marriage.html

    By JEREMY W. PETERS
    December 2 2009

    ALBANY The New York State Senate decisively rejected a bill on Wednesday that would have allowed gay couples to wed, providing a major victory for those who oppose same-sex marriage and underscoring the deep and passionate divisions surrounding the issue

    The 38-to-24 vote startled proponents of the bill and signaled that political momentum, at least right now, had shifted against same-sex marriage, even in heavily Democratic New York. It followed more than a year of lobbying by gay rights organizations, who steered close to $1 million into New York legislative races to boost support for the measure.
    That is very sad that some of our citizens cannot enjoy their freedom and constitutional rights like the rest of us. Very sad.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    That is very sad that some of our citizens cannot enjoy their freedom and constitutional rights like the rest of us. Very sad.
    What the gays should do is start marrying other opposite sex gays. Like a lesbian and gay couple get together, and one of each sex marries each other and then cheat the system. if enough of them do it perhaps they can send a more efficient message.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And you think that those that oppose same-sex marriage are small-minded.
    Homophobic and myopic maybe.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    No it is most certainly not. Some gays already shove their lifestyles down our throats while some of them live in secret, and even more live open and without incident. It's not about a lifestyle it's about people's perceptions, on both sides, and not wanting to give any ground. Some gays feel entitled to the term marriage because they're whiney bitches who feel they've been wronged, (look how far that mindset got certain members of the Black community, nowhere) and Straight people feel like their way of life and the 'sanctity' of their 50%+ divorce rate is at stake.
    I have to point out something...

    IF seperate but equal had ever worked before, I would be all for it. But as long as there is some distinction in the institution, there is going to be some class distinction between gay and straight. If the institution is equal all the way, right down to what it is called, then this class inequality is going to be a lot harder to keep pushing.

    There are straight people who are always going to try to diminish the rights of gay people by making their marriage "a little more equal". If it's the exact same institution, you are much less likely to have "family advocacy" groups try to diminish the rights of gays for fear they will be diminishing their own rights, too.

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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    What the gays should do is start marrying other opposite sex gays. Like a lesbian and gay couple get together, and one of each sex marries each other and then cheat the system. if enough of them do it perhaps they can send a more efficient message.
    Interesting proposal, but that still doesn't give a spouse the right to see their loved one in the hospital, or take care of death issues, etc etc. There are a whole line of issues that are taken from them and doing it that way may get attention, but I hope it doesn't stay that way.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If this was only about equal rights this problem could have been settled long ago.......The problem is that is not what it is about.........Its about the acceptance of a lifestyle and making it equal to a straight lifestyle and shoving that lifestyle down peoples throats who don't agree with it and that pisses people off...........
    Their lifestyle should be accepted. I fail to see how it would be 'shoved down your throat' if gays were allowed to get married unless someone was forcing you to marry a gay couple.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by carlkay58 View Post

    2. Most of the gays I have talked to about the marriage thing is that its about coverage by insurance and equal rights under Federal laws. This is a major issue when you consider that the gay population has a much higher rate of serious illness and disease than the normal population. One of the reasons many companies refuse to extend the benefits to gay lovers is because it raises the cost of health benefits across their company.
    That has to be the biggest pile of BS I have ever read. The gay people I know are monogamous and have had life partners for ages. This idea that gay people are somehow more promiscuous and therefore more disease prone is a myth conjured up by homophobes and hateful people. Also, why would anyone believe a Health Insurance company?!
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Their lifestyle should be accepted. I fail to see how it would be 'shoved down your throat' if gays were allowed to get married unless someone was forcing you to marry a gay couple.
    This is exactly right. I'm not sure how the marriage of a gay couple across the street is going to affect my marriage to my own spouse. It makes no sense at all.
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    Re: New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    there certainly is a tax benefit to being to married. and many companies will not provide insurance benefits to same sex couples.
    Until a few years ago, when the marriage penalty tax was changed, people like me (middle-class, married) payed more in federal income taxes than unmarried couples in the same bracket. I don't know about other tax issues and marriage, but this one definitely existed.

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