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Does the NYT charge a subscription fee for its online newspaper???

No, didn't think so.

The WSJ DOES charge a subscription fee AND gets ad revenue from their online newspaper. Appears to most reasonable people that the public would not pay to read the NYT online paper.



If the WSJ charges $50/year (made up amount) for its online subscription and the NYT charges $0/year, then yes I would expect the WSJ to include online subscriptions in its numbers since they are PAID subscriptions.

Seems pretty elementary to me. Both circulation numbers include PAID subscriptions. Freebie online subscriptions don't count. If I printed 10 million newspapers and handed them all out on the street for free, could I claim I that have ten million subscribers??


Gill, I'm confused here on what you are saying. Newspapers DO charge for an online version of their paper. You can generally read most of the contents of newspapers online, but at the same time the NY Times, LA Times and my old hometown paper, the Chicago Sun-Times and the Louisville Courier-Journal actually charge for online versions (PDF's) of their daily papers. (interestingly they will offer a free version of this when they have delivery problems) and I am sure many other newspaper do the same thing. I am a subscriber of the Sun-Times because you actually get the same version of the daily paper.

The NY Times originally had a subscription where you paid a fee for getting certain areas of the paper not available online like editorial writers, but they dropped that setup. But you can still buy an online subscription.

What do you mean by they DON'T charge?
 
Newspaper Economics 101:

1. Newspapers get their revenue primarily from ads.

2. Ad revenue is based on circulation numbers.

3. The lower the circulation, the lower the income from advertising.

4. The lower the income from advertising, the lower the financial success.

Bottom line: the lower the circulation, the lower the financial success.

Read through the thread, we just covered this.

Circulation and paid subscriptions are two different things. Advertising rates are not set based on paid subscriptions. Newspaper Economics 101.
 
Gill, I'm confused here on what you are saying. Newspapers DO charge for an online version of their paper. You can generally read most of the contents of newspapers online, but at the same time the NY Times, LA Times and my old hometown paper, the Chicago Sun-Times and the Louisville Courier-Journal actually charge for online versions (PDF's) of their daily papers. (interestingly they will offer a free version of this when they have delivery problems) and I am sure many other newspaper do the same thing. I am a subscriber of the Sun-Times because you actually get the same version of the daily paper.

The NY Times originally had a subscription where you paid a fee for getting certain areas of the paper not available online like editorial writers, but they dropped that setup. But you can still buy an online subscription.

What do you mean by they DON'T charge?

All I have to say is go to: Today's Paper - New York Times

Did you have to pay or subscribe??

Do they ask you for money on the registration page??
 
Read through the thread, we just covered this.

Circulation and paid subscriptions are two different things. Advertising rates are not set based on paid subscriptions. Newspaper Economics 101.

Really? How many people get the NYT that don't pay for a subscription?

Paid subscriptions and circulation are the same thing.
 


I'm not trying to debate you here. I'm not a reader of the WSJ. But it looks like their website offers some business content, maybe blogs of the WSJ? But maybe NOT their entire publication.

Newspapers DO charge for subscriptions to their online paper. It looks like the WSJ also does the same thing, only they don't give away the content of their print online and offer both versions like newspapers. Or do they?

Just trying to get the details here correct.
 
I'm not trying to debate you here. I'm not a reader of the WSJ. But it looks like their website offers some business content, maybe blogs of the WSJ? But maybe NOT their entire publication.

Newspapers DO charge for subscriptions to their online paper. It looks like the WSJ also does the same thing, only they don't give away the content of their print online and offer both versions like newspapers. Or do they?

Just trying to get the details here correct.

The WSJ provides part of their paper online free. For most of the paper, you have to pay.

The NYT tried twice to charge for online subscriptions, and failed each time.

By the way, the CJ also has free online subscriptions.
 
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