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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh no you didn't....You mean that world renowned scholar, and thinker Jon Stewart? Give me a break!

    And comedian, don't forget that.






    Is that so? so when Amy Goodman gets on and devotes an entire show to how American troops in Afghanistan promoted Genocide and then stood by and watched, to denigrate our mission there that was presenting both sides? Really?





    Talk Radio Network is doing some good work in this area.





    I wasn't aware that we were only to be valid if we could provide concrete documented evidence of bias. In that case then claims of FOX News bias is moot then too right? See, this is where the liberal elitist goes off the rails. We went from having a discussion to you trying to dismiss my point of view based on some BS about wanting me to waste my afternoon searching for examples so that you can turn and dismiss them too....Sorry Pal, I don't play that game.

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    Biases occur all over the map. But my real fear of media is not being biased. I think they work too hard to get the biggest amount of viewers what they want. So we end up with 24 hours of Michael Jackson for a few weeks. Not because they're biased--so they get the highest ratings for the advertisers to sell cars or i-pods or whatever. Ok if you want to sell I-Pods. Not so good if your goal is to produce an educated public.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    I will acknowledge that Pacifica is a left ward leaning public network. No argument on that!

    I don't think my opinion by itself is more valid. I just want the facts out there when making a decision. I think some people really believe NPR is totally funded by the government. True at one point, not now and by being a long time fan, I've witnessed their struggles.

    If your fear is that being funded by the government can cause censorship, don't forget that advertisers also have the same power. Of course the push on both sides is that you will lose some viewers and listeners if you are found to be dishonest. (but only if you're open to the truth.)

    The problem is that the market expands to serve the lowest common denominator and that doesn't help the knowledge area. Market is sometimes ok, but isn't the cure all to everything. While we are a country of individuals, we also have a duty to look out for each other and be the best country we can be. Market decisions are not the best for all decisions made in the common good.

    You may have a point here, but only as far as the market not necessarily driving the national interests at all times. But then again, neither does an entity that not only takes in government money, but then relies heavily on such underwriters as the Carnegie Foundation, or the Ford Foundation. Two heavily leftist groups that have in the past been accused of working against American interests.

    If you want truly independent broadcasts then you have to take all money out of the formula, and we both know that will NEVER happen.


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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I've found that this argument for the likes of NPR to be rather foolish. If NPR is such a boon, and worth the listening, then it should be spun off and allowed to work in the market. This would save taxpayers money.

    But we all know what would happen if NPR lost the Government teat from which it exists.

    Yes, NPR would have an extremely uneven presense and their original goal to serve communites that are under represented will be lost. If you look at NPR's financials, they make that point. Stations like Chicago, Louisville and I'm sure LA or New York are not struggling.

    There are public radio stations that exist strongly on their own and neither are affiliated or broadcast NPR programs. Even those affiliated take sponsorship. Really, its close to commercials. Not really that far off.

    The key to public radio is not profit, but in the quality of their broadcasts. Whats wrong with that?

    If NPR folded, we would be poorer for it.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You may have a point here, but only as far as the market not necessarily driving the national interests at all times. But then again, neither does an entity that not only takes in government money, but then relies heavily on such underwriters as the Carnegie Foundation, or the Ford Foundation. Two heavily leftist groups that have in the past been accused of working against American interests.

    If you want truly independent broadcasts then you have to take all money out of the formula, and we both know that will NEVER happen.


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    I can't argue with that.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I don't consider it conjecture when the dinosaur media have been unable to charge for their content.

    The NY Times has tried twice and failed miserably each time. The WSJ has a flourishing online subscription business.
    Failed?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/bu...a/18times.html

    They made money off it. What the NYT did was change their revenue system to one that favored ad based revenue.

    “The business model for advertising revenue, versus subscriber revenue, is so much more attractive,” he said. “The hybrid model has some potential, but in the long run, the advertising side will dominate.”
    I think any reasonable person would admit that the WSJ has content worth paying for, while the NY Times does not.
    Perhaps you should learn what actually happened rather then just assume what you wish to be true?

    They went where the money was.

    Do you have an example of where a newspaper charged solely online and failed because of it?

    So again, all you have right now is conjecture, but worse because you don't look at the facts. You just assume what you wish to be true.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    HAHAHAHA.

    No, you didn't.
    So you are saying I never discussed it when I talked about how general content providers were dealing with problems of online subscriptions?

    Oh, you think I never dealt with it because you never read my posts!

    That's called "Free markets" dear. If you have a product worth paying for, they will come. What you are basically saying is many of these papers lack a quality product to draw enough subscribers to continue! Isn't that amazing?
    And once again, Mr. V goes out of his way to ignore what people write.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Why is the Wall Street Journal circulation so much higher???
    Because they report online subscriptions as subscriptions. As I noted before, and as Mr. V totally screwed up in an epic way, NYT has huge amount of unique IDs and page hits but doesn't count those as circulation.

    Mr. V made a truly rookie epic fail when did not notice his own graph stated that the statistical inclusion was different for WSJ compared to others.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So you are saying I never discussed it when I talked about how general content providers were dealing with problems of online subscriptions?

    Oh, you think I never dealt with it because you never read my posts!



    And once again, Mr. V goes out of his way to ignore what people write.
    No, I read what you wrote. You are stuck on the Content Delivery Failure of the new market. My answer is... so what?

    Times change. Adapt or fail, that's life.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    All I know is that I need newspapers to pack boxes with so if Waxman wants to save them, them do it.

    If I didn't have newspapers I would have to use a different type of packing material and I don't like change.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    They made money off it. What the NYT did was change their revenue system to one that favored ad based revenue.
    Exactly. Thanks for checking the facts instead of just mindlessly accepting them. You'd make a good print journalist.

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