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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    How nice! Your post confirmed my thoughts about you too.
    My post did not refer to you personally.

    But feel free to imply insults all you wish.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    My post did not refer to you personally.

    But feel free to imply insults all you wish.
    Not to worry. I don't know you personally. All I've got is your posts that suggests your level of knowledge about a subject. Being ignorant about a particuliar subject area is not saying that you are ignorant. NOBODY knows it all.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

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    Not to worry. I don't know you personally. All I've got is your posts that suggests your level of knowledge about a subject. Being ignorant about a particuliar subject area is not saying that you are ignorant. NOBODY knows it all.
    I would be careful throwing around the word "ignorant" when you are the one claiming that NPR doesn't get a significant amount of their money from taxpayers.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Look at the conversation. It matters because we were talking about the failure of one newspaper to crack the web vs. another's success. It's about how newspapers can make it on the web. We had moved beyond the question in the OP about propping up papers.
    Then aren't we off topic? If so we need to get back on topic or go to a new thread.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

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    I would be careful throwing around the word "ignorant" when you are the one claiming that NPR doesn't get a significant amount of their money from taxpayers.

    Either prove what you mean by that (saying "taxpayers" is rather strange--almost every business is funded by "taxpayers"--if you're saying government funds, prove it!) or admit that you don't know what you are talking about and are just following some idiot's talking points. NPR has had to make cuts starting back in the 80's and totallly changed their business structure so that most of their contributions come from member stations, donations and business sponsorships.

    About NPR: Financials

    If you knew this history, you would also understand how public radio stations changed from all this. In some ways, its a good thing, others so-so. They dropped programs in the 80's (bad) and some poorer stations couldn't afford the programming. However, they also started cooperating (good) so that they did not have so much duplication of programs. A good example would be here in Louisville where there are three stations. They became the Public Radio Partnership in which one station carries NPR news, one AA music (and a little jazz) and one does classical music. Before that occurred, the stations duplicated some of the shows. However, after the change in the 80's, that was extremely inefficient and expensive for each individual station, not to mention a seperate management. So this idea that NPR and member stations have a blank check is just more BS.

    There is no better news radio network in the US. If there is, tell me what it is! (What? the EIB??--now there's a laugh)

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    Either prove what you mean by that (saying "taxpayers" is rather strange--almost every business is funded by "taxpayers"
    Almost every business is funded by taxpayers???? Are you serious?? Mine isn't and I don't know anyone else who's business if funded by taxpayers.

    That is a VERY bizarre statement.


    --if you're saying government funds, prove it!) or admit that you don't know what you are talking about and are just following some idiot's talking points. NPR has had to make cuts starting back in the 80's and totallly changed their business structure so that most of their contributions come from member stations, donations and business sponsorships.

    About NPR: Financials

    If you knew this history, you would also understand how public radio stations changed from all this. In some ways, its a good thing, others so-so. They dropped programs in the 80's (bad) and some poorer stations couldn't afford the programming. However, they also started cooperating (good) so that they did not have so much duplication of programs. A good example would be here in Louisville where there are three stations. They became the Public Radio Partnership in which one station carries NPR news, one AA music (and a little jazz) and one does classical music. Before that occurred, the stations duplicated some of the shows. However, after the change in the 80's, that was extremely inefficient and expensive for each individual station, not to mention a seperate management. So this idea that NPR and member stations have a blank check is just more BS.

    There is no better news radio network in the US. If there is, tell me what it is! (What? the EIB??--now there's a laugh)
    There you go with the insults again. You should really read the Forum rules before you get into trouble.

    NPR is largely funded by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. CPB's function is to fund both public radio and television. The most recent annual report for CPB indicates that they received almost 1/2 billion dollars from the federal government for distribution to public television and radio. Of that, NPR got around $100 million dollars. They get direct funding from the US government, along with grants from entities like the Dept. of Education and the National Endowment for the Arts.

    That's not even counting the funds for satellite development and replacement.

    http://www.cpb.org/aboutcpb/reports/...nualreport.pdf

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Ziggae playing word games? Taxpayers vs tax dollars, okay PBS gets lots of tax dollars, happy?
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

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    Ziggae playing word games? Taxpayers vs tax dollars, okay PBS gets lots of tax dollars, happy?

    Not playing word games here. Taxpayer is a taxpayer and tax dollars are tax dollars. I can only respond to what he wrote--I can't interpret what he "meant" to say.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Almost every business is funded by taxpayers???? Are you serious?? Mine isn't and I don't know anyone else who's business if funded by taxpayers.

    That is a VERY bizarre statement.




    There you go with the insults again. You should really read the Forum rules before you get into trouble.

    NPR is largely funded by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. CPB's function is to fund both public radio and television. The most recent annual report for CPB indicates that they received almost 1/2 billion dollars from the federal government for distribution to public television and radio. Of that, NPR got around $100 million dollars. They get direct funding from the US government, along with grants from entities like the Dept. of Education and the National Endowment for the Arts.

    That's not even counting the funds for satellite development and replacement.

    http://www.cpb.org/aboutcpb/reports/...nualreport.pdf
    I'm not sure how you get an insult out of this. The concept that NPR still relies upon the majority of their funding from the government is crapola and some idiot's talking points. The same idiots who claim NPR is a "liberal" network. Do you actually ever listen to NPR to get an opinion about this? What NPR program have you ever listened to? How have you formed your opinion on NPR's current programming? I am more than happy to debunk these myths because I hate to see you or anyone else be uninformed about Public Radio and I hope you go back to the source of your opinions and ask for some real facts. Even better, check out your own local public station. Since they are nonprofits, their income statements should be public record.

    You've got a bit of a dilemma. If you think NPR is liberal, how do you know? Do you listen? Why do you listen? If you don't listen, where is your opinion on this topic coming from?


    This is last year's NPR financial statement and you're going to see the same thing I am seeing. You are going to see that their largest source of income is from member stations. Their second is grants, contributions and scholarships.

    http://www.npr.org/about/statements/...atedreport.pdf

    NPR was totally funded from government as a startup. That was decades ago. What you are ignoring is that NPR basically changed to find other ways of funding to become more (and the key is "more") self sustaining. It is a demonstration of what Waxman is talking about. NPR still gets some tax money. Lots of people get tax money. But what NPR has done is change the way they get most of their funding. This represents a model for how a media outlet can exist and have high quality programming. A democracy benefits when it is better educated and has a quality source of news.

    Not everything is better when it is market driven. If you considered "market driven" news, think of 24 hour coverage of Michael Jackson that went on and on. The "majority" wanted to hear about Jackson (for better or worse) so all other news wasn't covered. Tabloid journalism does well in the market, but it doesn't lead to a more educated electorate.

    Here is NPR's comment about funding by its member stations. (note: these stations are not "owned" by NPR, they are independent)


    Quote Originally Posted by NPR
    NPR is an independent, self-supporting media organization. It is also a membership organization of separately licensed and operated public radio stations across the United States.
    (Read more about NPR's mission and operations.)

    NPR supports its operations through a combination of membership dues and programming fees from over 860 independent radio stations, sponsorship from private foundations and corporations, and revenue from the sales of transcripts, books, CDs, and merchandise. A very small percentage -- between one percent to two percent of NPR's annual budget -- comes from competitive grants sought by NPR from federally funded organizations, such as the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, National Science Foundation and the National Endowment for the Arts.
    Published reports in Worth Magazine and Consumers Digest cited NPR as a leading U.S. nonprofit charity because of the organization's program spending efficiency, high level of private support, and outstanding public service.




    On average, public radio stations (including NPR Member stations) receive the largest percentage of their annual operating revenue (31%) from listener support. For FY07, the most recent data available, the average station's revenues came from the following sources:
    • 31% from listeners in the form of pledges, memberships, and other donations
    • 20% from businesses via corporate underwriting
    • 11% from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), which is federally funded*
    • 10% from licensee support
    • 9% from foundations and major gifts
    • 5% from local and state governments, and
    • 14% from all other sources.
    *A note on CPB funding: There are 434 stations in 47 states and territories (including Guam and Puerto Rico) that specifically serve rural and minority communities; the latter includes numerous African-American, Native American, Latino, and multicultural licensees. In many cases, they are the sole local broadcasting service available. These stations receive significantly higher funding from CPB - in some cases, as much as two-thirds of their budgets - since many of their listeners simply don't have the financial resources to provide support.
    NPR : Annual Reports, Audited Financial Statements, and Form 990s

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    I'm not sure how you get an insult out of this. The concept that NPR still relies upon the majority of their funding from the government is crapola and some idiot's talking points. The same idiots who claim NPR is a "liberal" network. Do you actually ever listen to NPR to get an opinion about this? What NPR program have you ever listened to? How have you formed your opinion on NPR's current programming? I am more than happy to debunk these myths because I hate to see you or anyone else be uninformed about Public Radio and I hope you go back to the source of your opinions and ask for some real facts. Even better, check out your own local public station. Since they are nonprofits, their income statements should be public record.

    You've got a bit of a dilemma. If you think NPR is liberal, how do you know? Do you listen? Why do you listen? If you don't listen, where is your opinion on this topic coming from?


    This is last year's NPR financial statement and you're going to see the same thing I am seeing. You are going to see that their largest source of income is from member stations. Their second is grants, contributions and scholarships.

    http://www.npr.org/about/statements/...atedreport.pdf

    NPR was totally funded from government as a startup. That was decades ago. What you are ignoring is that NPR basically changed to find other ways of funding to become more (and the key is "more") self sustaining. It is a demonstration of what Waxman is talking about. NPR still gets some tax money. Lots of people get tax money. But what NPR has done is change the way they get most of their funding. This represents a model for how a media outlet can exist and have high quality programming. A democracy benefits when it is better educated and has a quality source of news.

    Not everything is better when it is market driven. If you considered "market driven" news, think of 24 hour coverage of Michael Jackson that went on and on. The "majority" wanted to hear about Jackson (for better or worse) so all other news wasn't covered. Tabloid journalism does well in the market, but it doesn't lead to a more educated electorate.

    Here is NPR's comment about funding by its member stations. (note: these stations are not "owned" by NPR, they are independent)
    Ahh, so it is your position that the CPB filed fraudulent tax returns and published a fraudulent annual report on their web site???

    Are you denying that the Corp. for Public Broadcasting supports NPR???

    And yes, I listen to NPR quite often.

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