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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Fine.

    My point, which has yet to sink in, is their failure is not due to their content.
    Does it, in the end matter? If it's content or delivery, either way these companies either have to adapt or they go under. Propping them up via the government is not the solution.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Does it, in the end matter? If it's content or delivery, either way these companies either have to adapt or they go under. Propping them up via the government is not the solution.
    It matters when I'm responding to someone's claim that it is content, yes. Which is all I was doing.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Fine.

    My point, which has yet to sink in, is their failure is not due to their content.

    Well, this may not be 100% true. It is a reality that the News Paper business made a huge mistake early on in the internet explosion of giving away their content for free. But, as the internet took over as the way that most get their news today, a shift also became prevalent in trends. And that is people are scanning for editorial content in hard news stories. And when confronted with that they tend to submit their vote with their dollars.

    Take a look in here for example, how often do we hash over many of the same topics using our favorite sources that we tend to agree with editorially?

    Never before would sites like Media Matters, or Wikipedia have been taken seriously in the realm of truth and honesty in reporting, but today since it backs up someone's opinion, regardless of whether or not truth is in play, then it is used. And the fallacy of the proof of negative comes into play.

    News papers have fallen prey to building a political base just like a party, and that is their demise.


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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Actually, yes I do. But since you didn't bother to offer any details, I'll assume that it is you that doesn't know much about NPR or you would have elaborated.

    NPR has been assisted by the government but the amount has really shrunk. (I'll include the details on their current structure below). In the early 80's NPR went strongly in debt and they came close to going out of operation. They had to borrow money from the government BUT paid it all back and they restructured their financial setup at that time to charge individual stations subscription fees. They also changed many of their programs they produced and kept only the more popular ones. In the last few years, Congress has threatened a couple of time to slash the small amount of funding still being received but its always been beat back by both Conservatives and Liberals because most people appreciate the quality of their programs.

    They are very rarely listed in ratings because they don't subscribe to it, but I know as of about ten years ago, the Chicago station WBEZ was among the top 10-13 stations being listened to in the Chicago market.

    I'll been listening since 1977 which started with All Things Considered. It hasn't always for smooth. You got to appreciate a network that works hard to bring in serious people from both sides to discuss issues.



    According to the 2005 financial statement, NPR makes just over half of its money from the fees and dues it charges member stations to receive programming, although some of this money originated at the CPB itself, in the form of pass-through grants to member stations.[12] About 2% of NPR's funding comes from bidding on government grants and programs, chiefly the Corporation for Public Broadcasting; the remainder comes from member station dues, foundation grants, and corporate underwriting. Typically, NPR member stations raise funds through on-air pledge drives, corporate underwriting, and grants from state governments, universities, and the CPB itself.
    Over the years, the portion of the total NPR budget that comes from government has been decreasing. During the 1970s and early 1980s, the majority of NPR funding came from the federal government. Steps were being taken during the 1980s to completely wean NPR from government support, but the 1983 funding crisis forced the network to make immediate changes. More money to fund the NPR network was raised from listeners, charitable foundations and corporations, and less from the federal government. Major donors are listed on the NPR web site.[13]
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    Here's your original post in all of its ignorance:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill
    NPR is a very liberal newsource. Of course its not having any financial trouble. As you said, they are publicly funded. Whenever they need more money, they run to Congress and ask for more.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    I listen to a couple of NPR stations to catch BBC broadcasts

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Do people not see the utter danger implicit in the above suggestions?
    the government has been running the media in this country for some time.

    the only difference is that now the media is broke and the government will also fund it with out tax money.

    your article merely proves that the media is ALREADY run by government - otherwise the government wouldn't be intent on bailing it out.

    government, public schools, media, banks and corporations are all one and the same thing. i collectively refer to them as the power structure. banks and corporations are the financial arm, schools and media are the unofficial propaganda arm and government is the official public relations department.

    and taxpayer is a corpse upon which these vultures feed.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    NPR has been assisted by the government but the amount has really shrunk. (I'll include the details on their current structure below). In the early 80's NPR went strongly in debt and they came close to going out of operation. They had to borrow money from the government BUT paid it all back and they restructured their financial setup at that time to charge individual stations subscription fees. They also changed many of their programs they produced and kept only the more popular ones. In the last few years, Congress has threatened a couple of time to slash the small amount of funding still being received but its always been beat back by both Conservatives and Liberals because most people appreciate the quality of their programs.

    They are very rarely listed in ratings because they don't subscribe to it, but I know as of about ten years ago, the Chicago station WBEZ was among the top 10-13 stations being listened to in the Chicago market.

    I'll been listening since 1977 which started with All Things Considered. It hasn't always for smooth. You got to appreciate a network that works hard to bring in serious people from both sides to discuss issues.





    Here's your original post in all of its ignorance:
    Thanks for confirming what I'd already posted, but it wasn't really necessary.

    Both sides???.... thanks for the laugh.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Does it, in the end matter? If it's content or delivery, either way these companies either have to adapt or they go under. Propping them up via the government is not the solution.
    Look at the conversation. It matters because we were talking about the failure of one newspaper to crack the web vs. another's success. It's about how newspapers can make it on the web. We had moved beyond the question in the OP about propping up papers.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Thanks for confirming what I'd already posted, but it wasn't really necessary.

    Both sides???.... thanks for the laugh.
    How nice! Your post confirmed my thoughts about you too.

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