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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Which amusingly placed next to the actual speech shows that the editorial is exceptionally dishonest. When we look at the actual text of the actual speech it in no way lines up with the accusations pushed here by both Mr. V nor the partisan hack job he posted. There's a reason that overly partisan sources are not allowed as breaking news: they tend to be highly inaccurate and highly dishonest.
    Everyone who has ever posted to a political debate forum, or had an opinion about anything for that matter, should read this post.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Which amusingly placed next to the actual speech shows that the editorial is exceptionally dishonest. When we look at the actual text of the actual speech it in no way lines up with the accusations pushed here by both Mr. V nor the partisan hack job he posted. There's a reason that overly partisan sources are not allowed as breaking news: they tend to be highly inaccurate and highly dishonest.
    You're trusting a politician, first off. That's your big mistake, secondly, you aren't bothering to read his words, and third you fail to apply the effect of such measures to any standard.

    "Oh look, Waxman says blah blah, isn't he so smart!"

    No critical assessment, to applying past behavior of the government, in this case the recent bail outs and what they do.

    Nope.
    From his speech, of which I have a copy of via his website.
    They have focused on the following areas:
    1. The establishment of new legal or tax structures for publishers that can cushion the blow by permitting media companies to have the option of choosing other structures,
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    such as non-profit status, that would remove the pressures faced by publicly listed companies.
    2. More philanthropic support for media outlets.
    3. Examination of the antitrust laws and whether changing them might be of assistance.
    4. Review of the cross media laws and other ownership restrictions that may constrain the commercial vitality of the industry.
    5. The exploration of new sources of journalism, from universities operating news organizations, to new, hyper local web-based journalism enterprises to deliver local news and information and reporting.
    6. The prospect of public funding for quality journalism as a means to preserpreserve a critical mass of resources and assets devoted to public media. This has been articulated by Len Downie and Michael Schudson, in their report commissioned by Columbia University’s Graduate School of Journalism, the Free Press organization, and others.
    It's number 6 that causes the most concern. And while you are stuck on trying to claim that the product isn't the problem, a perfect example of media adapting is the WSJ, which has managed to gain in subscription and revenue.

    Not, that Free Press | Media reform through education, organizing and advocacy is the group he is using as his source for this call, this is a politically driven, biased organization.

    Robert W. McChesney is a professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, where he teaches in the Department of Communication. McChesney also hosts the “Media Matters” weekly radio on WILL-AM radio. Chensey, former editor of the socialist & Marxist Monthly Review, now is director of the foundation that operates the magazine. He is also an activist who speaks out against the free market in the media industry with such statements as this taken from an interview he gave for the Socialist Project in August 2009,
    "Instead of waiting for the revolution to happen, we learned that unless you make significant changes in the media, it will be vastly more difficult to have a revolution. While the media is not the single most important issue in the world, it is one of the core issues that any successful Left project needs to integrate into its strategic program."

    These statements might seem quite disheartening taken in context to recent discussions of the Fairness Doctrine, Net Neutrality, and the actions of the White House against FOX NEWS. However, with Robert McChesney it does not stop there. Free Press co-authored a 2007 report with the FCC's "Chief Diversity Czar" Mark Lloyd entitled, "The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio, " where they suggest the listening trends of people preferring "Conservative & Christian" programs as a 'free market' problem they wish to solve. One solution from the report states that the FCC should, "restore local and national caps on the ownership of commercial radio stations," which would in turn limit the very voice they are trying to allow to become more diverse. Mark Lloyd & Free Press have many views in which they share and I strongly suggest you learn for yourself many of their views. McChesney goes on about the Media and states in his article, "The U.S. Media Reform Movement: Going Forward," from the Monthly Review:
    "The media system reflected the nature of the U.S. political economy, and any serious effort to reform the media system would have to necessarily be part of a revolutionary program to overthrow the capitalist political economy."

    McChesney also writes in "The New New Deal Under Obama," also at the Monthly Review:
    "These gains will only be made through an enormous class struggle from below. If won, they will not, we underscore, eliminate the evils of capitalism, or the dangers it poses for the world and its people. In the end, there is no real answer but to remove brick by brick the capitalist system itself, rebuilding the entire society on socialist principles."

    Robert McChesney & Free Press have also been working to help devise policy for the 'Net Neutrality' plan President Obama has been pushing to help "save" us from the Internet & large corporations. Also Obama's FCC Chairman, Julius Genachowski, hand picked Free Press' Jen Howard to be the FCC's Press Secretary. And remember the former "Green Jobs Czar," Van Jones, up until 2008 Jones was a board member of none other than Free Press. Under the dictatorship of Hugo Chavez in Venezuela McChesney had this to say in "Venezuela and the Media: Fact and Fiction," about free speech in that country,
    "Aggressive unqualified political dissent is alive and well in the Venezuelan mainstream media, in a manner few other democratic nations have ever known, including our own."
    Robert McChesney and the Free Press


    So, you can take Waxman's words at face value, you can applaud his speech however you so choose. That's your gig. I take the time to see behind the rhetoric, to see the motivations. Who does he listen too? Who are these people that he is looking to for advice? What are THEIR motives?

    It's obvious you have not. You are so busy preening your feathers thinking you have scored some points, when reality says otherwise.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You're trusting a politician, first off. That's your big mistake, secondly, you aren't bothering to read his words, and third you fail to apply the effect of such measures to any standard.

    "Oh look, Waxman says blah blah, isn't he so smart!"

    No critical assessment, to applying past behavior of the government, in this case the recent bail outs and what they do.

    Nope.
    From his speech, of which I have a copy of via his website.


    It's number 6 that causes the most concern. And while you are stuck on trying to claim that the product isn't the problem, a perfect example of media adapting is the WSJ, which has managed to gain in subscription and revenue.

    Not, that Free Press | Media reform through education, organizing and advocacy is the group he is using as his source for this call, this is a politically driven, biased organization.


    Robert McChesney and the Free Press


    So, you can take Waxman's words at face value, you can applaud his speech however you so choose. That's your gig. I take the time to see behind the rhetoric, to see the motivations. Who does he listen too? Who are these people that he is looking to for advice? What are THEIR motives?

    It's obvious you have not. You are so busy preening your feathers thinking you have scored some points, when reality says otherwise.

    Uh, what is it that we have to go on? Certainly his words and certainly any actual legislation that is actually proposed. Going beyond that comes off as being extremely paranoid or at least being extremely projecting in considering someone's motivation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. V
    I take the time to see behind the rhetoric, to see the motivations. Who does he listen too?
    And you know this, how? You follow him and know his every move? Or you rely upon certain details that have to come from others? And what is the motivation behind the "others' that you listen to?

    Geez, you almost tell us just to forget what was said, that you will interpret what he REALLY means to the rest of us. This is a major weakness behind your points. Just being aggressive with your comments and claiming that you can see beyond YOUR own post is not really very convincing. Be very very afraid indeed. But of whom?

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    I have a far better idea for all of Congress hand them a copy of the Bill of Rights and tell them to shove off.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    I have a far better idea for all of Congress hand them a copy of the Bill of Rights and tell them to shove off.

    How about we hand them their paycheck of about $75k a year. I believe that's more than enough, especially if they keep most of their congressional benefits.

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So you are contending it's not product but the markets fault that newspapers are failing, and only government intervention will fix it. Got it.
    lol.

    You still don't get it?

    I'm on your case for your seemingly genetic inability to argue honestly and back up a single thing you say.

    Imagine how worthless this place would be if we all argued like you did.

    No facts. No evidence. No reason. Just FEELINGS.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You're trusting a politician, first off.
    Wrong as usual. Have you been correct on a single thing in this discussion yet you liar?

    I'm looking at his actual words. Not some idle speculation based on feelings.

    I'm mocking for you a reason.

    That's your big mistake, secondly, you aren't bothering to read his words, and third you fail to apply the effect of such measures to any standard.
    LOL. Amusing coming from the person who has repetitively proven he never read the article. I was the one who posted the actual text of the speech which you STILL HAVE NOT ADDRESSED. And you claim I didn't read his words. What a joke your posts have become.

    "Oh look, Waxman says blah blah, isn't he so smart!"
    Enjoying the constant taste of fail?

    Waxman in his own speech, did not assert what you claimed he did. What you are doing is assuming whatever you wanted based on your FEELINGS while ignoring the text of his actual speech.

    No critical assessment, to applying past behavior of the government, in this case the recent bail outs and what they do.
    Amusing coming from a guy who doesn't understand the problem is distribution, not content. Again, you are assuming whatever you want without reading the speech. You ASSUME they will rather then actually look at what they have actually proposed.

    It's number 6 that causes the most concern. And while you are stuck on trying to claim that the product isn't the problem, a perfect example of media adapting is the WSJ, which has managed to gain in subscription and revenue.
    Except that you are a exceptionally dishonest in posting articles claiming he spent the majority of his time on that. As I posted the speech first, I also highlighted that the majority was on history and that many questions need to be answered before anything moves forward. You still have yet to acknowledge this. Hence you are exceptionally dishonest. You may be in the running to take the title of most dishonest poster from Goobieman.

    Furthermore, you constantly fail to understand the most basic problem. I already pointed out (and you ignored because it's easier for you pretend contrary evidence to your asinine positions don't exist) how many liberal bent newspapers have enormous unique ID visitors and page views. You in an act of epic stupidity posted a graph trying to argue that WSJ was better without realizing that they are including online subscriptions in subscriptions while the other newspapers didn't. Your own graph argues the problem is distribution, not content. Another act of stupidity from you. Am I surprised? No.

    The problem is not the product. It's distribution. If you bothered to even read your own articles you would have noticed that. But again, you don't read articles. You just assume whatever you want to be true and then get all pissed off when someone points out that what you claim is not what was in your article.

    What makes you think I'll buy your overly partisan website when the first two you tried were extremely dishonest?

    What on Earth makes you think that posting more overly partisan sources leads to good arguments?

    OH THESE FEELINGS! I CAN'T STOP THESE FEELINGS! SO MANY FEELINGS!

    Get some facts or shutup for a change.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    Uh, what is it that we have to go on? Certainly his words and certainly any actual legislation that is actually proposed. Going beyond that comes off as being extremely paranoid or at least being extremely projecting in considering someone's motivation
    All you need is FEELINGS.

    It is amusing how people who complain about partisan websites have no problems using them...right after the last set they posted were shown to be epically dishonest.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Oh so it's a distribution problem...

    Oh silly me. People are seeking to get their information from other sources so obviously the government should step in and fix it.

    Oh silly of me not to see this before!

    It's not that people aren't wanting the product, no no, it's distribution! They should pass a law forcing all american's to subscribe to Government approved papers. To solve this dire problem!
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Oh so it's a distribution problem...

    Oh silly me. People are seeking to get their information from other sources so obviously the government should step in and fix it.

    Oh silly of me not to see this before!

    It's not that people aren't wanting the product, no no, it's distribution! They should pass a law forcing all american's to subscribe to Government approved papers. To solve this dire problem!
    I think it should be part of the public option. Freedom of the Press is a healthcare issue.
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