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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Now you call me a liar. After this, I'm done. I don't need to take verbal abuse from a petulant child throwing a temper tantrum because I disagree with them. You are a very rude, obnoxious and arrogant poster. I am not, btw done because I cannot refute your points, I am washing my hands of you because you are NOT WORTH MY TIME. You are... insignificant.

    I'll post this nifty graph to make my point. The WSJ is thriving, why is that?

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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Now you call me a liar. After this, I'm done. I don't need to take verbal abuse from a petulant child throwing a temper tantrum because I disagree with them.
    You claimed to have attempted to address my points.

    Except there is not a single post here by you doing that. You are indeed lying.

    You are a very rude, obnoxious and arrogant poster. I am not, btw done because I cannot refute your points, I am washing my hands of you because you are NOT WORTH MY TIME. You are... insignificant.
    Run away. Run away. And yes, you cannot refute my points. You have never been able to do so in the past and you will never be able to do so in the future.

    I'll post this nifty graph to make my point. The WSJ is thriving, why is that?
    Oh Boy. For someone who claims he read the article, you really outta to have rethought that.

    "The WSJ began including paid online subscribers in their circulation since 2003."

    You made a rookie, freshmen error. The WSJ includes data that others do not. Therefore it is expected that their numbers will be higher as their set of data included factors that the others either do not have or do not include.

    If sample A counts instances of B and C as the same, but sample Z and X do not, which will have higher reported numbers of B?

    HELLO. Simple math to Mr. V, are you there?
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Get off the lawn BuzzMachine

    The fix is in, liberal media selling out for pot of government gold | Washington Examiner

    Great reads for anyone interested in what's really at stake here. Government intervention into the Media is a bad thing, the first link I posted was from a VERY anti-Fox news/Murdoch fellow who makes it clear Waxman is wrong.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Let's do some recalculations:

    Lee Rozen, who heads production of the P-I's Web site, said an all-time high of 1.7 million unique visitors visited the site in October, yielding a record 28.3 million pages viewed. For the six months ended Sept. 30, page views went up 13 percent, compared with the same period the year before

    Times spokeswoman Jill Mackie declined to disclose figures for her newspaper's Web site alone. She said that for the P-I's Web site, the Times' Web site, plus umbrella sites NWSource.com and Northwest Classifieds, the average number of page views monthly during the nine months ended Sept. 30 was 66.2 million, up 19 percent from the comparable period the year before.
    Internet takes a bite out of P-I, Times circulation

    If we counted those as paid subscribers, that jacks up a relatively small newspaper well above the majors.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    A powerful Democratic lawmaker has stated his willingness to intervene on the behalf of the federal government in the nation's news sector. Insisting that the newspaper business is vital to democracy, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., suggested that the government "resolve" the problems in the industry, potentially though misguided federal bailouts.

    At a workshop on the future of journalism at the Federal Trade Commission, Waxman, who chairs the House Energy and Commerce Committee, suggested the federal government secure "public funding for quality journalism as a means to preserve a critical mass of resources and assets devoted to public media."

    Though Waxman raised other options, he devoted more of his address to public funding for newspapers than any other avenue for preserving the medium. Newspaper bailouts could, he stated, "preserve and maintain key functions of modern journalism ... by cushioning the economic squeeze publishers are facing."

    Free Press was co-founded by avowed socialist Robert McChesney, who has been a long-time advocate of direct government subsidies for newspapers, and has praised the media ownership model advanced by Venezuela's Marxist dictator Hugo Chavez, who has notoriously cracked down on media opposition in the South American nation.

    This humble blogger has written of the dangers of federal funding for newspapers, as have NewsBusters writers Tom Blumer, Tim Graham, and Jeff Poor. Seton Motley has written on the topic and appeared on Fox News to discuss the dangers of such a policy.

    A Business and Media Institute report by Dan Gainor and Catherine Maggio found that government involvement would lead to at least some degree of government control, that public news outlets are generally politically biased due to political funding, and suggested that the media industry resist the temptation of government money.

    The reports findings echo what scores of media commentators, including those at NB, have found: the government cannot fund the news without at least inadvertently affecting the content of the news. Bailouts for financial and automotive firms undertaken during the last year have demonstrated this fact--the federal government can now dictate the products and services they offer, arbitrarily impose union and ownership contracts, and limit compensation for their employees to quell populist anger.

    Recent studies of the real-world consequences of government funding for newspapers have demonstrated these facts. A Harvard University study on the newspaper industry in Argentina, which has benefited from significant federal funding,
    found a “huge correlation” between, in any given month, how much money went to a newspaper and how much corruption coverage appeared on its front page...
    [I]n periods where newspapers were getting more money from the government, they produced fewer corruption scoops of their own and covered fewer of the scoops produced by other newspapers.

    Even if editors do not make conscious decision to avoid coverage damaging to their federal financiers, the knowledge that such funding can be withdrawn on a whim is enough to chill free speech. Government money will mean a say--directly or indirectly--in what newspapers cover, how, and how much.

    Free Press has been quite open about this element of government funding; the organization wishes to see the federal government impose rules on the media to promote "underrepresented groups," according to its report Towards a National Journalism Strategy. Such a policy, the report states, would "greatly increase minority and female ownership of news media outlets, which currently stand at an appallingly low number."

    Free Press wants the government to have a say in the composition of the news business so it can promote the roles of politically favorable groups. Not exactly what most people would have in mind when describing a free press.

    Waxman did touch on a number of other options--an alternative tax status for newspapers, a reworking of antitrust laws, and additional philanthropic support for newspapers. All of these could contribute to the viability of a free press without compromising its objectivity by placing it on the government dole. All of these options should be exhausted before Waxman or other federal officials consider propping up the industry with taxpayer dollars.
    Waxman Wants Federal Government to 'Resolve' Newspapers' Problems | NewsBusters.org

    More on what Waxman is REALLY after, not the trivial nonsense OC has been spewing is going on.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    For the record OC, I'd been holding on to those links for a bit, letting play the rope out nice and long. While you're sitting there trying to defend Waxman's ideas as being something they are not, I had all ready gone out and found the "rest of the story". The rest of the story being I was correct all along. This isn't about "Anti-trust issues" or any other non-sense you've been on about. It's about Government largess being given to news outlets that deemed "too important to fail".

    Effectively Government Run Media. This isn't my opinion, this isn't even a RIGHT WING opinion, as shown by the first link I provided. You, are very much wrong. And I have debunked your entire argument. I was right from the moment I posted this thread.

    I don't need you to acknowledge this, it'd be nice, but I don't need it.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    More on what Waxman is REALLY after, not the trivial nonsense OC has been spewing is going on.
    Oh yay! Let's trust a partisan news outlet that's not even trying to hide its partisanism to tell us just how much time he spent on various items.

    How about you get his actual speech?

    Imagine that. Reading the text of his actual speech.

    Let's look at how another site viewed it:

    Epoch Times - Newspapers Should Get Government Support, Says Waxman

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    For the record OC, I'd been holding on to those links for a bit, letting play the rope out nice and long. While you're sitting there trying to defend Waxman's ideas as being something they are not, I had all ready gone out and found the "rest of the story". The rest of the story being I was correct all along. This isn't about "Anti-trust issues" or any other non-sense you've been on about. It's about Government largess being given to news outlets that deemed "too important to fail".
    Really? Then why did you post a link that in no way supported your position?

    Do you have a copy of his actual speech? Or just overly partisan secondary sources?

    Effectively Government Run Media. This isn't my opinion, this isn't even a RIGHT WING opinion, as shown by the first link I provided. You, are very much wrong. And I have debunked your entire argument. I was right from the moment I posted this thread.
    Perhaps you should visit the home page of that link you provided. If that's not overtly partisan, nothing is.

    I don't need you to acknowledge this, it'd be nice, but I don't need it.
    LOL. You're funny. Do you really think that posting overly partisan sources that dictate to us how much time he actually spent on each proposal is going to work? People try it on you, did it work then? lol
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    Oh boy. Seriously?

    Here's his speech:

    Chairman Waxman?s Remarks to the Federal Trade Commission News Media Workshop

    How long was this speech? 15 minutes?

    Good luck proving your points with that pathetic excuse for a speech.

    Though Waxman raised other options, he devoted more of his address to public funding for newspapers than any other avenue for preserving the medium. Newspaper bailouts could, he stated, "preserve and maintain key functions of modern journalism ... by cushioning the economic squeeze publishers are facing."
    Wow. Talk about dishonesty by omission. He also spent far more time on history (roughly half), what journalism we should save and that the whole things has a mountain of questions that need to be addressed before anything occurs.
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    Re: Govt will need to help shape U.S. media: Waxman

    A hyper partisan like you will never admit... probably because you agree with, the goals Mr. Waxman seeks, government subsidizing "media outlets".

    That's what his speech says, that's what his goals are, that's what this is about. Saving failing news organizations that cannot compete in fair free markets because their product is no longer, relevant.
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