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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by carlkay58 View Post
    Remember that some of the e-mails talk about controlling the peer review process of the 'proper' journals to keep out dissenting views. So no publication of contrasting views = total agreement of the experts.

    A University of Minnesota professor managed to publish his findings that heavy storm cycles for the last 100,000 years have had a very steady and flat cycle - not trending upwards as the global warming crowd predicts in ALL of their models. Two of the professors who are currently under investigation in 'climategate' were instrumental in the professor losing his tenure, his position at the University, AND all professional credentials. Some of the released e-mails seem to refer to this conspiracy to silence a legitimate scientific research that managed to get published that casts some doubts on a small portion and claim by the Global Warming crowd.

    Again, a whole bunch of general statements. Who is investigating who? (government, university officials, Rush Limbaugh, what?) What University of Minnesota professor lost his tenure over a published article? What is your source?

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    Who is investigating who?
    For one, I believe the American People will begin to investigate the acceptance of this global warming claim, it's foundation, who's been profiting by it....and how it hasn't been proven, that it's not science.
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Good video about the e-mails. Explains alot.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg"]YouTube- 6. Climate Change -- Those hacked e-mails[/ame]
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    I found this interesting, FWIW......

    Paul Joseph Watson
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    In a pathetic effort to make the climategate scandal go away, the crooks involved in manipulating data to “hide the decline” in global warming are recasting themselves as the victims of the whole affair, attempting to shift the blame to criminal hackers who stole data, when all the evidence suggests the CRU emails were leaked from the inside.

    Of course, the only real criminals are those who were caught fraudulently massaging climate data in order to comply with the United Nations’ agenda for a global carbon tax, a world government and complete takeover of the global economy.

    One of the principle climategate suspects, Penn State University meteorology professor Michael Mann, currently under investigation by his own university in what will probably amount to little more than a whitewash, tries to absolve himself by claiming he and his colleagues are being targeted in an interview with AccuWeather.com’s Katie Fehlinger.

    “I think it is unfortunate that some scientists out there are using this situation to settle personal scores, to settle a vendetta,” Mann said, claiming that the emails had been “taken out of context”.

    “Phil Jones is a very honest scientist,” Mann said. “He was probably talking about getting rid of measurements that they didn’t consider reliable,” said Mann in response to emails between him and Jones that discuss deleting information.

    In reality, as Lord Monckton has documented, “Contrary to all the rules of open, verifiable science, the Team had committed the criminal offense of conspiracy to conceal and then to destroy computer codes and data that had been legitimately requested by an external researcher who had very good reason to doubt that their “research” was either honest or competent.”

    Additionally, scientists also “discussed ways of dodging Freedom of Information Act requests to release temperature data,” reports the Daily Mail.

    The emails show that scientists relied on cronyism and cosying up to FOIA officials to prevent them from being forced to release data.

    “When the FOI requests began here, the FOI person said we had to abide by the requests,’ the email says. “It took a couple of half-hour sessions to convince them otherwise.”

    “Once they became aware of the types of people we were dealing with, everyone at UEA became very supportive. I’ve got to know the FOI person quite well and the chief librarian – who deals with appeals.”

    Mann’s characterization of this issue as that Jones was “getting rid of measurements that they didn’t consider reliable” is completely inconsistent with the known facts.

    Despite his haughty manner in dismissing the gravity of the scandal, other climate scientists are quickly abandoning Mann.

    Eduardo Zorita, scientist at the Institute for Coastal Research, is calling for Mann, Jones and others to be banned from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) process for the review and publication of climate change data.

    “The scientific assessments in which they may take part are not credible anymore,” said Zorita.

    Marc Morano, climate change skeptic and executive editor of ClimateDepot.com, agrees.

    “Mann has been dogged for years about his scientific work. Climategate exposes his glaring weaknesses as a scientist,” he said in an e-mail to AccuWeather.com.

    Meanwhile, climategate ringleader Phil Jones of the Climate Research Unit, the CRU scientist who infamously wrote about the need to “hide the decline” in global warming in one of the leaked emails, was escorted by plain clothes officers to a police station near his home yesterday.

    Unfortunately, officers were only questioning Jones as the ‘victim of a crime’ rather than for his role in producing manipulated data that is being used to bankrupt national economies and launch larcenous and fraudulent tax scams upon the populations of developed countries, as well as his efforts to engage in academic witch hunts by blocking data he politically disagreed with from appearing in IPCC reports.

    “Sources said the interview concerned the theft of emails from the university and alleged death threats since the contents of the emails were released, adding he was being treated as a ‘victim of crime’ rather than a suspect in any criminal investigation,” reports the Daily Mail.

    How Jones is a victim of a crime is beyond explanation since it’s widely acknowledged that the CRU emails were most probably leaked from an inside source and were not obtained illegally from the outside by a hacker with a criminal vendetta.

    BBC weather forecaster Paul Hudson was forwarded the exact same CRU emails five weeks before it was reported that hackers had obtained them and posted them on the Internet.

    “The e-mails released on the internet as a result of CRU being hacked into are identical to the ones I was forwarded and read at the time and so, as far as l can see, they are authentic.” Hudson stated.

    Following the publication of a 9th October article Hudson wrote for the BBC entitled “whatever happened to global warming?”, in which he questioned the science behind the theory of human induced warming, the BBC correspondent was discussed within emails to which several of the CRU climatologists were privy, including Kevin Trenberth, Michael Mann, Tom Wigley and Phil Jones.

    Hudson’s article, which pointed out that there had been no increase in global temperatures since 1998, spurred Kevin Trenberth, one of the leading authors of the IPCC report on climate change to make the following comment within the private emails to his colleagues:

    “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”

    Hudson received the emails because he “was copied in to them at the time,” he wrote on his blog, meaning that the CRU scientists were sending some of the emails to people with no affiliation to their organization long before they were supposedly “hacked”.

    In addition, the portrayal of the individual(s) who hacked the rest of the data as some kind of amoral criminal with a vendetta against warmist scientists is completely contradicted by the nature of what happened.

    As Robert Graham, CEO with the consultancy Errata Security, notes, “Judging from the data posted, the hack was done either by an insider or by someone inside the climate community who was familiar with the debate.”

    Whenever this type of incident occurs, “80 percent of the time it’s an insider,” Graham said.

    The far likelier scenario is that someone on the inside with a conscience got fed up with Jones, Mann et al fraudulently manipulating data to fit their agenda, and either personally or in collusion with hackers, decided to leak the information so as to expose the criminality that the climategate crooks were engaging in.

    The portrayal of Jones, Mann and their cronies as the victims of some untoward crime is just the latest effort on behalf of the warmist establishment to whitewash and neutralize the climategate scandal, in a desperate effort to make it disappear from the headlines in time for next week’s Copenhagen summit.

    Watch the interview with Mann below in which he patronizingly tries to neutralize the climategate scandal by labeling it a “distraction,” despite the fact that even other warmist climate scientists are now calling for him to be barred from producing climate data.

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaUK View Post
    Good video about the e-mails. Explains alot.

    YouTube- 6. Climate Change -- Those hacked e-mails

    Yep, Add a British accent to anything and it sound so wonderfully condescending doesn't it now? Face it, GW hoax is exposed as the global taxation scheme it always was...Now, if you really want to think that man is responsible for temp changes or that we can control it then I suggest you pick an element that is more prevalent than CO2 for God's sake.


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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, Add a British accent to anything and it sound so wonderfully condescending doesn't it now? Face it, GW hoax is exposed as the global taxation scheme it always was...Now, if you really want to think that man is responsible for temp changes or that we can control it then I suggest you pick an element that is more prevalent than CO2 for God's sake.


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    Interesting that you had to use an ad-homien attack rather over the guys accent rather than address the points he made.
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    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    For one, I believe the American People will begin to investigate the acceptance of this global warming claim, it's foundation, who's been profiting by it....and how it hasn't been proven, that it's not science.
    Oh, the American people are investigating the "acceptance". Now I know the specifics.

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Requiring people to "take you on faith" may not be scientifically correct but it does apply to religion quite well.

    from your source.
    .....Confirming the earlier scandal about cherry-picked data, the e-mails show CRU scientists conspiring to evade legal requests, under the Freedom of Information Act, for their underlying data. It's a basic rule of science that you don't just get to report your results and ask other people to take you on faith. You also have to report your data and your specific method of analysis, so that others can check it and, yes, even criticize it. Yet that is precisely what the CRU scientists have refused......
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    Oh, the American people are investigating the "acceptance". Now I know the specifics.
    If I'm not mistaken this is a reference to "the science is all settled" angle foisted on us this last few years. Could it possibly be......it isn't "all settled?"
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