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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Easy Target View Post
    I am interested in seeing the data from NASA as well. Should be interesting to see the formulas they use to fill in data that was never recorded, How they adjusted the data after they changed the coatings on the temp sensor huts in 1979, how they account for urban heat soak in better than 80% of their temp sensor locations, etc.

    Also, I am very interested in their explanation for how and why they saw no change in global temperatures from satellites until they "normalized the data to match ground sensor data".

    And no, the Democrats cannot back down from global warming. They have bet everything on the control they will gain over the economy and the people with all the AGW laws and regulations they hope to pass.

    It will be interesting to find out just who at NASA has exchanged what emails with the people under fire in this current scandal. Anyone care to bet that people high up in NASA are also implicated?
    I do, but at this point I'm just wondering what we will be permitted to know considering the total silence surrounding this event from the mainstream media. Quite frankly I know far too much about tiger's personal life already while I am forced to search for information on this very subject. Pity.
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I do, but at this point I'm just wondering what we will be permitted to know considering the total silence surrounding this event from the mainstream media. Quite frankly I know far too much about tiger's personal life all the while I am forced to search for information on this very subject. Pity.
    It is eery the way they've completely ignored this. Even moreso than usual. Typically, the media goes into some sort of spin control when a story hits that doesn't meet their agenda, but not this time. Abject silence.

    You stated earlier that there's too much invested in global warming for them to backtrack. That's absolutely it. This is a pet issue for so many liberals, that to lose it would be akin to losing a family member. They won't let go easily.

    The problem is the vast majority of Americans simply don't buy it anymore, and I think THAT is the reason for the silence. To defend it now would seriously hang the media out for more scrutiny, and the quickly plummeting ratings at every media outlet except Fox has them a bit leary of their own shadow at this point.

    This is real news. To ignore it is stupid, not just irresponsible. It's not like people don't know by now; it's all over the internet.

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Not surprising, Barbara Boxer is more worried about the leak than the contents of the emails.

    Boxer: Hackers should face criminal probe over 'Climategate' - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Not surprising, Barbara Boxer is more worried about the leak than the contents of the emails.

    Boxer: Hackers should face criminal probe over 'Climategate' - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
    apparently, she hasn't gotten the memo to zip lips.
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No, I haven't read ALL of the emails... there are thousands of them.

    Feel free to read them all yourself though...

    East Anglia Confirmed Emails from the Climate Research Unit - Searchable

    Really wouldn't expect you to read them. To be honest I am neither for or against pro or anti global warming people and/or scientists. This is too important of an issue to be politicized. Unfortunately I am also not a climate research person. Therefore, we have to rely upon people to interpret the info. Makes it tough to know who is in the right.

    However, falsification of data would be considered a criminal act of fraud. Most Universities rely upon funding for their research and there are very tight rules for research AND publication of scholarly material. Therefore, you would expect criminal charges of fraud if there were any truth to all of this. Arrests would follow and it would not just be anti-global warming people or Rush Limbaugh bringing it up. Not to mention that anti-global warming people are also free to submit their research findings to a scholarly journal. If they want to dispute global warming research, they just need to follow the same rules required of any research scientist.

    Otherwise, just yelling "they lied!" really doesn't pass the test of having evidence.

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    Not to mention that anti-global warming people are also free to submit their research findings to a scholarly journal. If they want to dispute global warming research, they just need to follow the same rules required of any research scientist.

    Otherwise, just yelling "they lied!" really doesn't pass the test of having evidence.
    They have.

    There are hundreds of peer reviewed papers refuting various aspects of AGW.

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    I have read many of the emails, but the commented computer code is even more revealing. It describes the clear intent to distort the data. The emails show how dissenters were attacked and discredited and how the FOIA requests were ignored/circumvented.

    Many knowledgeable bloggers on this subject insist that no hack was involved. They say either an inside whistleblower released the material or it was inadvertently placed in a public area of the server. The file that was taken was a single compressed file that was a compilation of much of the relevant material requested under the UK's Freedom of Information Act. It may have been prepared for that purpose.

    This has huge implications, especially if the demand for investigations spreads, which may be happening already.

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    apparently, she hasn't gotten the memo to zip lips.
    I thought liberals loved whistleblowers?

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    They have.

    There are hundreds of peer reviewed papers refuting various aspects of AGW.

    Published? If so, that is the nature of scholarly research and theory. They are trying to predict a future pattern. The key is in how accurate the instruments they are using and whether there are alternative theories. You could still look at the same data and come up with different conclusions. Unless you know more about specific content of these "papers", you're dealing in ignorance with the subject.

    If not published in a proper journal, don't waste your time.

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    Published? If so, that is the nature of scholarly research and theory. They are trying to predict a future pattern. The key is in how accurate the instruments they are using and whether there are alternative theories. You could still look at the same data and come up with different conclusions. Unless you know more about specific content of these "papers", you're dealing in ignorance with the subject.

    If not published in a proper journal, don't waste your time.
    Yeah, proper journals......are being made a joke of by these UEA clowns.
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