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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by scottsoperson View Post
    i guess it's like cheney and halliburton benefitting off of the iraq lie/war.

    except global warming is not a lie according to the vast majority of climate scientists.
    Yeah, any wonder?
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by scottsoperson View Post
    only 5% of climate scientists agree with inhofe.
    Proof with link??? And Wiki doesn't count...

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    I read your Penn State article that was taken from the Penn State student newspaper (not researched by US News & World Report by the way). I am not really sure how this line

    indicates that the theory of global warming is definitely proven to be wrong.
    The thousands of emails, computer code, and temperature data released from CRU don't "prove" that global warming is wrong. What they do is show that the leading scientists promoting AGW have falsified data, hidden data from other scientists wishing to replicate their claims, conspired to ignore FOI requests, destroyed the peer review process, kept papers and findings critical of AGW out of scientific journals, and vowed to each other that information critical of AGW would not be included in IPCC reports.

    Or this one:

    Couldn't someone say that you are kinda exaggerating a little yourself at this point? I'd rather someone independent have made these comments.
    Many independent people have commented on it. Where have you been??

    Having "climate change opponents" make claims that two researchers falsified info really doesn't tell me much. Little more details before we jump to conclusions, thus looking as guilty as the ones you accuse of being wrong.
    A. It's far more than two scientists.
    B. Read the emails and data yourself.

    But I can give another chance to prove it. The Breibart article mentions e-mail between "leading US researchers" of global climate change. Do me a favor and list these people so we'll recognize their names when they get investigated, OK?
    You've already mentioned the main one yourself, Michael Mann.

    Others include Gavin Schmidt at NASA, Kevin Trenbeth and Colorado State, Tom Wigley of UCAR, Ben Santer at Lawrence Livermore, etc. Should I go on or is this enough for now???

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Considering the trillions of dollars at stake, AGW needs a lot more research before it's validity can be on a par with the theory of relativity. The perpetrators of the falsified data should be prosecuted for fraud. Their grants depended on governments believing in AGW, and by premeditated lying, their crime is no different than Bernie Madoff's.

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    Considering the trillions of dollars at stake, AGW needs a lot more research before it's validity can be on a par with the theory of relativity. The perpetrators of the falsified data should be prosecuted for fraud. Their grants depended on governments believing in AGW, and by premeditated lying, their crime is no different than Bernie Madoff's.
    The real crime here is we no longer have the data or the trust in the scientists and science that gave us the global warming theory. It may be true, but now we can't reasonably ascertain that because of both the antics of the scientists in question or the politicians who need it to empower themselves.
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The thousands of emails, computer code, and temperature data released from CRU don't "prove" that global warming is wrong. What they do is show that the leading scientists promoting AGW have falsified data, hidden data from other scientists wishing to replicate their claims, conspired to ignore FOI requests, destroyed the peer review process, kept papers and findings critical of AGW out of scientific journals, and vowed to each other that information critical of AGW would not be included in IPCC reports.

    and your source of this is?

    Many independent people have commented on it. Where have you been??

    Not in the articles you have posted. They are quoting the anti-warming people as the source. Circular logic, I think they call that.



    A. It's far more than two scientists.
    B. Read the emails and data yourself.



    You've already mentioned the main one yourself, Michael Mann.

    Others include Gavin Schmidt at NASA, Kevin Trenbeth and Colorado State, Tom Wigley of UCAR, Ben Santer at Lawrence Livermore, etc. Should I go on or is this enough for now???
    Why aren't any of these people mentioned in the articles you have posted? I'm sure you have read all of the e-mails yourself since you made the initial claim, right?

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggae_6 View Post
    Why aren't any of these people mentioned in the articles you have posted? I'm sure you have read all of the e-mails yourself since you made the initial claim, right?
    Gill reading or not reading all the emails has no effect on the validity of the charges against the scientists. But good luck with that.
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by scottsoperson View Post
    i guess it's like cheney and halliburton benefitting off of the iraq lie/war.

    except global warming is not a lie according to the vast majority of climate scientists.
    Got any evidence supporting your claim that Bush lied about WMD's in Iraq? We have plenty of evidence to support the claim that scientists have been lieing about global warming...
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    recycling is sensible,
    Not really. Paper, plastic, and glass are actually cheaper to get from the earth still. Recycling these things is actually a waste of resources. And no, we are not running out of landfill space.

    greater mpg is sensible,
    Sure, and if you live near a freeway and don't like the pollution, then sue the government (which would then force only certain cars that pollute a certain amount be allowed on the freeway or else pay a higher price). Oh wait. There are no direct controls on auto pollution like this, which would actually be great.

    and overall reduction of energy consumption is sensible,
    Except that government won't set energy prices to market levels. I remember those rolling blackouts in California.

    reasonable and logical.
    If you ignore basic economics and think that government is a panacea for society's ills.

    these were the first approaches taken by those groups.
    Yet the free market would do all of these things and do them better.

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    STATS:

    only 5% of climate scientists agree with the radical repubs on global warming.

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