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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

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    UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    UK climate scientist to temporarily step down
    Dec 1 01:29 PM US/Eastern


    LONDON (AP) - Britain's University of East Anglia says the director of its prestigious Climatic Research Unit is stepping down pending an investigation into allegations that he overstated the case for man-made climate change.
    The university says Phil Jones will relinquish his position until the completion of an independent review into allegations that he worked to alter the way in which global temperature data was presented.

    The allegations were made after more than a decade of correspondence between leading British and U.S. scientists were posted to the Web following the security breach last month.

    The e-mails were seized upon by some skeptics of man-made climate change as proof that scientists are manipulating the data about its extent.

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    Could this eventually be the "game" in "game, set, match."
    For anyone interested in getting better informed about how the Far-Right is desperately trying to spin a non-story...

    Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    For anyone really interested in the facts of the criminal case--here they are:

    The Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident, also known as Climategate,[1][2][3] began in November 2009 with the hacking of a server used by the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia (UEA) in Norwich, England, in the United Kingdom. An unknown individual stole[4] and anonymously disseminated over a thousand e-mails and other documents.[5][6][7] The university confirmed that a "criminal breach" of their security systems took place,[8] but could not confirm the authenticity of the material at short notice,[9] and expressed concern "that personal information about individuals may have been compromised."[10] Details of the incident have been reported to the police, who are investigating.[5] Later, Phil Jones, Director of the CRU, confirmed that all of the leaked emails that had provoked heated debate appeared to be genuine.[11]

    Climate change sceptics have asserted that the e-mails show collusion[12] by climate scientists to withhold scientific information.[13] Other prominent climate scientists, such as Richard Somerville, have called the incident a smear campaign.[14] Jones called charges that the emails involve any "untoward" activity "ludicrous",[15] and Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research stated that the sceptics have selectively quoted words and phrases out of context in an attempt to sabotage the Copenhagen global climate summit in December.[16]
    The CRU's researchers said in a statement that the e-mails had been taken out of context and merely reflected an honest exchange of ideas.[9] Phil Jones, Director of the Climatic Research Unit, called the charges that the emails involve any "untoward" activity "ludicrous."[15] Michael Mann, director of Pennsylvania State University's Earth System Science Center, said that sceptics were "taking these words totally out of context to make something trivial appear nefarious",[9] and called the entire incident a careful, "high-level, orchestrated smear campaign to distract the public about the nature of the climate change problem."[23] Kevin E. Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research said that he was appalled at the release of the e-mails but thought that it might backfire against climate sceptics, as the messages would show "the integrity of scientists."[13] He has also said that the theft may be aimed at undermining talks at the December, 2009 Copenhagen global climate summit.[16]
    Go Jim Inhofe, keep shilling for energy corps. Your kids must be so proud...

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Whoa, now we're grasping. Good Lord.

    Conservatives are absolutely for taking care of the planet. In fact, we are typically among the most conscious about picking up after ourselves.

    We just don't build a political party around it, and lie and exagerrate environmental "crisis" to gain votes for other hidden agendas.
    I read your Penn State article that was taken from the Penn State student newspaper (not researched by US News & World Report by the way). I am not really sure how this line

    Climate change opponents say the E-mails indicate that climate change researchers—including Penn State Prof. Michael Mann—exaggerated or fabricated global warming data.
    indicates that the theory of global warming is definitely proven to be wrong.

    Or this one:
    That's what people are calling the controversy surrounding leaked E-mails among climate change researchers that climate change opponents say expose the researchers' falsification of data.
    Couldn't someone say that you are kinda exaggerating a little yourself at this point? I'd rather someone independent have made these comments.

    Having "climate change opponents" make claims that two researchers falsified info really doesn't tell me much. Little more details before we jump to conclusions, thus looking as guilty as the ones you accuse of being wrong.

    But I can give another chance to prove it. The Breibart article mentions e-mail between "leading US researchers" of global climate change. Do me a favor and list these people so we'll recognize their names when they get investigated, OK?
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i don't think most "green" groups have hidden agendas.
    I do. Global warming is a convenient way to advance an agenda of more powerful central governments at the expense of ngo's.
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    For some reason, many conservatives think taking care of the planet we live on is a bad idea. I don't get it.
    In point of fact dmany conservatives do want to protect the environment. I know I do. What is happening is many liberals/leftists are using suspect science as a way to advance a political agenda.
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I will grant you that they have done a couple of minor things but the ones you refer to have been very minor and had little real effect. The mileage issue came up in the 70s with the oils crisis and the big three were forced to compete. They didn't change their ways because of environmental pressure or lies.

    Recycling is still a joke because because some recycled crap still ends up in land fills. There are protest against using trash to generate power but it is being done in Japan and has been for years and is environmentally safe.

    The major lip service I'm talking about comes in the form of the current protests against Solar and Wind energy generation. Solar could endanger some unknown lizard or other BS argument. They protest Wind power because it endangers birds. I can see a giant wind field from my home here near Palm Springs CA. and I assure you having lived in Dallas, TX. Portland, OR. and all over CA. there are more birds here than any place I have ever seen in my life. I can hear them singing every day.

    They also protest wind because they don't look nice. B.S.

    They are fighting the very things they were crying for just a few years ago, because they are real solutions. They protest some electric cars because the batteries are a danger.

    I have been an environmentalist all my life but I wouldn't walk across the street to support any of the usual groups because they lie and dupe their followers.

    I learned from my Dad when I was a kid and used to go camping and before my Dad would do anything to set up camp he'd clean the area and we'd leave it better than we found it.

    I have always felt it made sense. Let's look at one protest. I choose ELF. they want cleaner air so they protest excessive use of fuel that pollutes the air how? By burning Hummers. It is impossible to justify this dumb ass action because why? Because in just a few minutes they put more pollutants in to the air in the form of toxic smoke that the Hummers would have produced in 20 years of operation. Add to that pollution the the fuel burned by all of the emergency vehicles that have to respond.

    Environmental nuts have shut down forests to logging knock thousands out of work driving up the cost of lumber, and increasing the trade deficit because we now import more lumber than ever. Truth is modern logging is sound and the companies replant far more than they cut. Parts of the U.S. have more forests than there were when the Pilgrims landed. That goes for game too. Places in this country face major problems because there are too many Deer and Elk, more than ever before.

    Some of the best conservationist are hunters lie the Duck hunters who do more to sustain numbers than any other group, Government or private.

    The global warming HOAX is about money, profit, and in Government it's about control.

    One of the really stupidest things I have ever heard is the argument by Liberals that we shouldn't drill for oil because it would take 7 to 10 years to have an effect. Well answer me this. How long will it take for new wells to help if we never drill them. This is a typical type of unsound argument used by environmentalists and their supporters, and shows the clear lack of reason, sense, and logic. It's all the same
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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    There is a book by an ex-minister of Energy in United Kingdom that exposes the global warming troubles with reality. In each of his counter-arguments, he takes the maximum bad effect that global warming claims will happen in the next 100 years and shows that the economic and personal cost of those worst claims are less than the cost of making the changes to eliminate or avoid those claims. His essential argument is that even if the worst possible estimates of the global warming theorists come to pass, the cost is less to society as a whole than taking the drastic steps that they claim must be taken in order to avoid it.

    An appeal to reason : a cool look at global warming / Nigel Lawson.

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    I was at the grocery store and it hit me: there's more proof that we were lied to about global warming than there is proof that Bush lied about WMD's in Iraq...
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sometimes I think the treehuggers do more harm than good.
    Only sometimes? You are an optimist!

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    one of the stolen emails says a climate scientist did not get money from either side on the global warming debate.

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    Re: UK climate scientist to temporarily step down

    from the stolen emails

    The United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC),
    the
    official voice of global warming research, has conceded the possibility
    that
    today's "record-breaking" temperatures may be at least
    partly caused by the
    Earth recovering from a relatively cold period in recent history. While
    the
    evidence for entirely natural changes in the Earth's temperature
    continues
    to grow, its causes still remain mysterious.

    Dr Simon Brown, the climate extremes research manager at the
    Meteorological
    Office at Bracknell, said that the present consensus among scientists on
    the
    IPCC was that the Medieval Warm Period could not be used to judge the
    significance of existing warming.

    Dr Brown said: "The conclusion that 20th century warming is not
    unusual
    relies on the assertion that the Medieval Warm Period was a global
    phenomenon. This is not the conclusion of IPCC."

    He added that there were also doubts about the reliability of
    temperature
    proxies such as tree rings: "They are not able to capture the recent
    warming
    of the last 50 years," he said.

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