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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    The focus is on him because it started with him.
    No, it started with the guy that committed the crime.

    It arguably could next be placed on the person or persons that handed out a sentence that was years upon years more than is likely appropriate for the initial crime.

    Then it could be put on Huckabee for agreeing to Commute his sentence.

    That commutation would've meant nothing if the Parole board decided not to give him a parole.

    Which may've not happened if not for the judge thinking it was the right call.

    Which still wouldn't have mattered had a prosecutor in washington filed papers in a timely fashion.

    And on and on.

    Huckabee was one in a long line that, no, did not start with Huckabee but started with the person committing the acts.

    Every step along the way someone had made a choice that lead to him being free to do these things and its absolutely idiotic to make one of those in that long line out to be the spawn of devil and hitler themselves, but the others are just completely ignored...especially when its being done for nothing but political grudges.

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, it started with the guy that committed the crime.

    It arguably could next be placed on the person or persons that handed out a sentence that was years upon years more than is likely appropriate for the initial crime.

    Then it could be put on Huckabee for agreeing to Commute his sentence.

    That commutation would've meant nothing if the Parole board decided not to give him a parole.

    Which may've not happened if not for the judge thinking it was the right call.

    Which still wouldn't have mattered had a prosecutor in washington filed papers in a timely fashion.

    And on and on.
    You want to go that route? Then it started with his mother giving birth to him.

    The focus is on his sentence being commuted allowing him to get out early. That began with Huckabee.

    Huckabee was one in a long line that, no, did not start with Huckabee but started with the person committing the acts.

    Every step along the way someone had made a choice that lead to him being free to do these things and its absolutely idiotic to make one of those in that long line out to be the spawn of devil and hitler themselves, but the others are just completely ignored...especially when its being done for nothing but political grudges.
    No. It started with Huckabee because he inserted himself into the process and commuted a lawful prison sentence.

    Why are you trying to dodge that fact? Thats where it began, period.
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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

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    No. It started with Huckabee because he inserted himself into the process and commuted a lawful prison sentence.

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    Huckabee commuting the sentence was perfectly legal and ethical.

    Face it, the guy should not have been sentenced to a 100 years give or take for crimes that apparently involved no violence or injuries.

    The sentence was excessive. Why else would the trial judge agree with the parole board about letting him out.

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I didn't read this whole thread, but, Huckabee commuted a 105 year life sentence to something else I think 46 years. It was the parole board that released him...


    two questions.


    1. what did he origionally get the 105 years for?

    2. What did others get for the same thing?
    1) several counts of burglary.

    2) Generally, a fraction of that.

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Huckabee commuting the sentence was perfectly legal and ethical.

    Face it, the guy should not have been sentenced to a 100 years give or take for crimes that apparently involved no violence or injuries.

    The sentence was excessive. Why else would the trial judge agree with the parole board about letting him out.
    I disagree, one or two crimes maybe, but he was a one man crime wave.....

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    I disagree, one or two crimes maybe, but he was a one man crime wave.....
    None violent that we know of.

    I guess it would be pointless to most here that at least up until a few years ago the AVERAGE TIME SERVED for a convicted murderer in the United States was just over EIGHT years.

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    None violent that we know of.

    I guess it would be pointless to most here that at least up until a few years ago the AVERAGE TIME SERVED for a convicted murderer in the United States was just over EIGHT years.
    So what?.....
    People get lengthy terms for drug stuff all of the time....
    His continued crime spree should have been enough to keep him locked up....

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You want to go that route? Then it started with his mother giving birth to him.
    Giving birth to someone is a reach for placing fault.

    Actually COMMITTING THE CRIME isn't a reach for placing fault.

    The entire justice system situation began upon the point where this individual broke a law. That's when the justice system begins.

    Had the sentence that was given to him not been exceedingly and grossly larger than it should have been then who knows what would've happened in regards to the commutation.

    Yet you don't want to acknowledge that.

    You want to say that Huckabee overturned a "lawful punishment" while ignoring the fact that what Huckabee did was ALSO lawful.

    Why was one lawful, but possibly negligent thing (a grossly over the top jail sentence), something you'll happily ignore, forgive, and not even mention but another lawful but possibly negligent thing (commuting his sentence), something you want to crucify a man for?

    The focus is on his sentence being commuted allowing him to get out early. That began with Huckabee.
    That's the focus YOU want because it fits your little hatchet job against a politician you don't like because you don't view him as "conservative enough" (which is funny, cause others are going at him because he's a "extreme right winger").

    You're right, the commutation was done by Huckabee, that falls on him.

    That doesn't mean the entire justice cycle started with him, nor does that place the blame squarely on his shoulders by any stretch.

    If a horrible, crippling, just constitution trashing bill just got passed who would you blame? The President for signing it into law? The congress for voting it forward? The Committe for voting it to the floor? The person that sponsored it? The firm that lobbied and wrote it? All of the above?

    I'm going to guess you'd place the blame all of the above despite the fact it "started" at the lobbying firm. I'm sure you wouldn't be giving Obama and Pelosi a pass because sure, they were wrong for passing it on, but if it wasn't there in the first place it wouldn't have happened.

    Yet here you want to essentially ignore EVERYONE else in line, even the criminal it seems, to squarely and largely place it singularly on Huckabee's shoulders.

    It started with the Criminal doing a crime. Huckabee was one person in a long line of people that made a bad decision which led to this person having the oppertunity to do his latest crime.

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Face it, the guy should not have been sentenced to a 100 years give or take for crimes that apparently involved no violence or injuries.

    The sentence was excessive. Why else would the trial judge agree with the parole board about letting him out.
    I think, at the time Clemmons was sentenced, said sentence was excessive, BUT Arkansas enacted the three strikes law in 1995.

    The Three Strikes law significantly increases the prison sentences of persons convicted of felonies who have been previously convicted of a violent crime or serious felony, and limits the ability of these offenders to receive a punishment other than a prison sentence. Violent and serious felonies are specifically listed in state laws. Violent offenses include murder, robbery of a residence in which a deadly or dangerous weapon is used, rape and other sex offenses; serious offenses include the same offenses defined as violent offenses, but also include other crimes such as burglary of a residence and assault with intent to commit a robbery or rape and murder. --Wiki
    So, years AFTER Arkansas instituted the three strikes law, along comes Mr. Huckabee who commutes the sentence and Clemmons is set free. Now, here's where the rubber meets the road...

    Clemmons returned to prison for a July 13, 2001 conviction for robbery in Ouachita County, for which he received a 10-year sentence. He was paroled March 18, 2004.
    So, the big question here is, if Clemmons had piled up more than three convictions (he did) as of July 2001, and if Arkansas law dictates that the three strikes law is valid as of 1995 (it does), why did Huckabee recommend clemency and why did the parole board follow Huckabee's recommendation when it directly contradicts Arkansas law?

    Looks like the three strikes thing directs some pretty hard to ignore questions to Huckabee and his parole board pals.

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    It appears to be an instance of a politician disagreeing with a set law, or the scope of a set law, and rather than trying to over turn said law is using others laws and abilities to circumvent said law in a legal manner.

    This is akin to having a federal ban on marijuana but using an executive order or executive powers to keep federal agencies from taking legal action against those that grow or distribute marijuana or pardoning people who clearly were found guilty of shooting a fleeing person in the back.

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