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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    IIRC, Texmaster is a libertarian.

    Or at least an internet libertarian.

    Big difference.
    Wrong again. Take a look at my profile.

    Reading comprehension just isn't your thing is it?

    Still waiting for you to show where I was lying.

    You don't get to make a charge like that and run away like an 8 year old.
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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Either back that up or take it back.
    You said that Mike Huckabee was not a conservative.

    His opposition to abortion and gay rights is pretty well known.

    By any accepted standard that makes him a social conservative.

    As for the above, don't use the Arkansas Times as a source for anything.

    The staff at the Arkansas Times are refugees from the left wing Arkansas Gazette which were forced to leave that paper after it was bought out by the Arkansas Democrat about 20 years ago.

    They've been staggeringly hostile to any and all Republicans for two decades.

    If Mike Huckabee walked on water the Arkansas Times headline would be that Mike Huckabee can't swim.

    In regards to Wayne Dumond, the widespread consensus in Arkansas was that he was sentenced to an excessively long jail term because of who his victim was.

    Not being a distant relative of Bill Clinton, no one cared about that.

    But being a relative of the powerful (and corrupt) St. Francis County Sheriff.

    Finally, much has been made of Huckabee pardoning, commuting, or granting clemency more than his three predecessor's combined.

    Republican Frank White was only in office two years and had little chance to do anything.

    Democrat Bill Clinton was in office for ten years, but from 1987 onward, Clinton was angling to run for president (he planned to in 1988 but a sexual relationship with a Little Rock woman caused him to put it off). So for the last five years of his time in office Clinton was positioning himself for a presidential run and thus avoided anything that he though might make him look "soft on crime".

    Democrat Jim Guy Tucker (after Clinton, before Huckabee) spent much of his time in office trying to stay out of prison himself and thus wanted to avoid being seen as "soft on crime".

    So there were real political reasons that Huckabee's predecessors tried to avoid using the pardon and clemency powers.

    That doesn't make what they did right any more than what Huckabee did makes him wrong.

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    You said that Mike Huckabee was not a conservative.
    He's not.

    His opposition to abortion and gay rights is pretty well known.

    By any accepted standard that makes him a social conservative.
    Wrong again.

    There are plenty of pro life democrats so your theory that you can meet just a few criteria and that makes you a conservative couldn't be a better example that you have no clue what a conservative stands for.

    BTW, McCain was pro life and against gay marriage. You want to call him a Conservative too? Talk about Epic Fail

    As for the above, don't use the Arkansas Times as a source for anything.

    The staff at the Arkansas Times are refugees from the left wing Arkansas Gazette which were forced to leave that paper after it was bought out by the Arkansas Democrat about 20 years ago.

    They've been staggeringly hostile to any and all Republicans for two decades.

    If Mike Huckabee walked on water the Arkansas Times headline would be that Mike Huckabee can't swim.
    So you have no proof their information was false. Got it. A

    In regards to Wayne Dumond, the widespread consensus in Arkansas was that he was sentenced to an excessively long jail term because of who his victim was.

    But being a relative of the powerful (and corrupt) St. Francis County Sheriff.

    Not being a distant relative of Bill Clinton, no one cared about that.
    Never said anything about Clinton. Looks like you are confused again.

    Finally, much has been made of Huckabee pardoning, commuting, or granting clemency more than his three predecessor's combined.

    Republican Frank White was only in office two years and had little chance to do anything.

    Democrat Bill Clinton was in office for ten years, but from 1987 onward, Clinton was angling to run for president (he planned to in 1988 but a sexual relationship with a Little Rock woman caused him to put it off). So for the last five years of his time in office Clinton was positioning himself for a presidential run and thus avoided anything that he though might make him look "soft on crime".

    Democrat Jim Guy Tucker (after Clinton, before Huckabee) spent much of his time in office trying to stay out of prison himself and thus wanted to avoid being seen as "soft on crime".

    So there were real political reasons that Huckabee's predecessors tried to avoid using the pardon and clemency powers.

    That doesn't make what they did right any more than what Huckabee did makes him wrong.
    Absolutely none of that dribble takes away from the FACT that Huckabee commuted more sentences than 6 states combined and until you can prove they are lying your excuses for who runs that paper mean zero.

    Prove the numbers wrong if you want to be taken seriously.

    He is not a conservative but the very fact you think to be a conservative means you only need to be pro life and pro traditional marriage shows you don't have a clue what a conservative truly is.

    Time for you to take back the lie accusation because you failed miserably to prove it.

    Face the facts. He wouldn't have even been eligible for Parole with Huckabee interfering. He stated the ball rolling.

    Yes others also let this guy out early but it began with Huckabee.

    And he still is not a conservative. I see you ducked his stance on illegal immigration.
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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    The staff at the Arkansas Times are refugees from the left wing Arkansas Gazette which were forced to leave that paper after it was bought out by the Arkansas Democrat about 20 years ago.

    They've been staggeringly hostile to any and all Republicans for two decades.
    Your opinion regarding the personal politics of the staff at the Arkansas Times means nothing here. How about addressing the facts of the DuMond case? Did Huckabee go out of his way - even break laws - to get Dumond released, or did he not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    for the last five years of his time in office Clinton was positioning himself for a presidential run and thus avoided anything that he though might make him look "soft on crime".
    Can you actually document this, or is this your supposition?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Democrat Jim Guy Tucker (after Clinton, before Huckabee) spent much of his time in office trying to stay out of prison himself and thus wanted to avoid being seen as "soft on crime".
    Soooo.... Reducing a repeat rapist/murderer's sentence from life plus 20 years to 39 years is a way to "avoid being seen as soft on crime?"

    Really?

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Your opinion regarding the personal politics of the staff at the Arkansas Times means nothing here. How about addressing the facts of the DuMond case? Did Huckabee go out of his way - even break laws - to get Dumond released, or did he not?
    Considering the governor has the power to pardon, I'd have to say no, he didn't break laws. He could have simply said, "Pardon him and let him go" and there would have been nothing illegal about it.

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Considering the governor has the power to pardon, I'd have to say no, he didn't break laws. He could have simply said, "Pardon him and let him go" and there would have been nothing illegal about it.
    The laws broken concern Huckabee having secret/undocumented "executive sessions" to discuss Dumond's case with the parole board.

    Such meetings are limited by statute to discussions regarding personnel decisions, specifically to avoid the appearance of undue influence from the Governor's office.

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I have no idea if Huckabee and Dumond were "great friends." What I do know is that Huckabee worked around the system, defied Arkansas law to hold secret meetings on the matter, and peddled his influence to get Dumond released.



    Do you have some documentation to support this assertion?



    Dumond didn't "beat somebody up when he was 17."

    On August 8, 1972, DuMond was charged with murder in Lawton, Oklahoma where DuMond and two accomplices beat a man to death with a claw hammer. DuMond was 23.

    On October 19, 1973, DuMond was charged with molesting a teenage girl in the parking lot of a shopping center in Tacoma, Washington. DuMond was 24.

    On September 28, 1976, DuMond was charged with raping a woman in DeWitt, Arkansas. DuMond was 27.

    DuMond received his second sexual assault conviction from a rape perpetrated in Arkansas in 1984. The victim, Ashley Stevens, was a 17-year-old cheerleader. DuMond was 35.

    For these crimes, DuMond received a sentence of life plus 20 years. Lieutenant governor Jim Guy Tucker reduced the sentence to 39 years.

    THEN, when he became governor, Huckabee wrote a nice letter to DuMond:





    Really? You would have released DuMond from prison because a sentence of 39 years for murder, child molestation, and two rapes is excessive?

    Wow.

    I guess I just have a lot more respect for the law (and more common sense) than you do.

    *shrug*



    One does not need a magic ****ing crystal ball to know that a repeat rapist/child molester/murderer shouldn't be set free to commit more violent crimes.
    Looks like he was charged with many things, so how many convictions?
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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Your opinion regarding the personal politics of the staff at the Arkansas Times means nothing here. How about addressing the facts of the DuMond case? Did Huckabee go out of his way - even break laws - to get Dumond released, or did he not?



    Can you actually document this, or is this your supposition?



    Soooo.... Reducing a repeat rapist/murderer's sentence from life plus 20 years to 39 years is a way to "avoid being seen as soft on crime?"

    Really?
    Are you ready to go to a prosecutor and bring Huckabee up on charges? If not, I suggest you shut up about him breaking the law. You're on a Huckabee witchhunt, and that's your agenda. Not any murders, because all you talk about is Huckabee. Here's what happened, Huckabee thought the man was too harshly convicted because he was black. So does that make you a racist?

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    You know what Dayton, I am a daughter of a cop I find you defending Huckabee sicking. I find anyone defending Huckabee and the cop killer sicking,

    Who in the hell are these people defending the cop killer??????????????

    People putting blame on Huckabee for events that happened 9 years AFTER the clemency is utter stupidity.
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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

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    Are you ready to go to a prosecutor and bring Huckabee up on charges? If not, I suggest you shut up about him breaking the law. You're on a Huckabee witchhunt, and that's your agenda. Not any murders, because all you talk about is Huckabee. Here's what happened, Huckabee thought the man was too harshly convicted because he was black. So does that make you a racist?

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