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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    hmm... Tell me what is your opinion of huckabee before all of this?
    Not much. I pretty much disagree with most of his positions; as I do most conservatives and liberals.

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

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    A governor is hardly responsible for every minor matter that crosses his desk.
    The commutation of a violent repeat offender's sentence is hardly a minor matter.

    But beyond this, I've come across a very interesting article from the Arkansas Times regarding yet another example of Governor Huckabee's deadly habit of freeing violent felons well before their sentence has been completed.

    And there is ample evidence that Huckabee finagled the whole thing.


    Dumond case revisited
    A reminder of Huckabee's role in his freedom


    Editor's note, Sept. 1, 2005: Wayne Dumond, convicted of rape in Arkansas and murder in Missouri, died of apparent natural causes in prison Tuesday.

    The occasion prompts us to republish Murray Waas' prize-winning article for the Arkansas Times in 2002 about the extraordinary steps Gov. Mike Huckabee took to help win Dumond's freedom. He has since blamed others for Dumond's release to kill again, but his actions over many years demonstrated his support for Dumond and, ultimately, the instrumental role he played in the parole board's decision to free him.


    “The reason that I voted as I did was because Mr. Brownlee specifically asked me to vote for the parole. I thought that Mr. Brownlee was acting on behalf of the governor, and I was trying to support the chairman of the board, and I was trying to support the governor ...

    “I signed the [parole] papers because the governor wanted Dumond paroled. I was thinking the governor was working for the best interests of the state. So I signed it.”

    —Ermer Pondexter, ex-member of the board of pardons and paroles
    New sources, including an advisor to Gov. Mike Huckabee, have told the Arkansas Times that Huckabee and a senior member of his staff exerted behind-the-scenes influence to bring about the parole of rapist Wayne Dumond, who Missouri authorities say raped and killed a woman there shortly after his parole.

    Huckabee has denied a role in Dumond’s release, which has become an issue in his race for re-election against Democrat Jimmie Lou Fisher. Fisher says Huckabee’s advocacy of Dumond’s freedom, plus other acts of executive clemency, exhibit poor judgment. In response, Huckabee has shifted responsibility for Dumond’s release to others, claiming former Gov. Jim Guy Tucker made Dumond eligible for parole and saying the Post Prison Transfer Board made the decision on its own to free Dumond.

    But the Times’ new reporting shows the extent to which Huckabee and a key aide were involved in the process to win Dumond’s release. It was a process marked by deviation from accepted parole practice and direct personal lobbying by the governor, in an apparently illegal and unrecorded closed-door meeting with the parole board (the informal name by which the Post Prison Transfer Board is known).

    After Huckabee told the board, in executive session, that he believed Dumond got a “raw deal,” according to a board member who was there, and supported his release, board chairman Leroy Brownlee personally paved the way for Dumond’s release, according to board records and former members. During that time — from December 1996 to January 1997 — Brownlee regularly consulted with Butch Reeves, the governor’s prison liaison, on the status of his efforts, two state officials have told the Times.

    The Times has also learned that:
    • Ermer Pondexter, a former member of the Post Prison Transfer Board, says she was persuaded by the parole board chairman Brownlee to vote for Dumond’s release and because she knew the governor supported it.

    • The board did not allow its recording secretary to attend a closed session with the governor regarding Dumond, nor was the session taped, a departure from custom.

    • Board chair Brownlee [2005 note: Brownless has since been reappointed to the Board by Huckabee] personally interviewed Dumond in prison and set in motion the reconsideration of the board’s August 1996 vote to refuse Dumond parole. Normally, inmates must wait a year after a decision for a new hearing. Thanks to Brownlee’s efforts, Dumond was granted a new parole hearing Jan. 16, 1997, just six weeks after his request for reconsideration. This time, the board voted to parole. Brownlee later was reappointed to the board by Huckabee.

    • Dumond was transferred to the Tucker unit in December 1996, after his request for rehearing. Had he stayed at Varner, he could not have been scheduled for a new hearing before Jan. 20, 1997, Huckabee’s deadline to act on his announcement that he was considering commuting Dumond’s sentence. His transfer — which the Department of Corrections has explained in conflicting ways — allowed him to get on the Tucker hearing schedule, which let the board parole Dumond before Huckabee’s deadline — and thus take the heat for his release.
    The article is much longer (see link above), but I encourage everyone to read it to the end. It shows to what great lengths Mr. Huckabee was willing to go to win freedom for a violent felon.... who then went on to rape and murder again.
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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    The commutation of a violent repeat offender's sentence is hardly a minor matter.

    But beyond this, I've come across a very interesting article from the Arkansas Times regarding yet another example of Governor Huckabee's deadly habit of freeing violent felons well before their sentence has been completed.

    And there is ample evidence that Huckabee finagled the whole thing.


    The article is much longer (see link above), but I encourage everyone to read it to the end. It shows to what great lengths Mr. Huckabee was willing to go to win freedom for a violent felon.... who then went on to rape and murder again.
    Oh what the **** man. Great lengths to remove a violent felon? You make it seem like Huckabee and this guy were great friends. Fact of the matter is Huckabee did what most people in his position and his beliefs would have done. He thought nobody should go to jail for 70-80 or even 100 years for beating somebody up when they were 17.

    I would have done the same thing. It's a bad judgement call but most people DO believe that the system can indeed work if given time and rehabilitation is possible. I am ****ing living proof that people can indeed change their ways. However, sometimes the system doesn't work and people don't change. Huckabee gave clemency to HUNDREDS of individuals and the percentage of them that never made themselves newsworthy vs. the percentage that did is a landslide. Will you hold your self righteous liberal cross to Huckabee's head for the number of people who didn't nearly 10 years later end up killing cops? Of course you won't.

    You act as if Huckabee had some magic ****ing crystal ball being able to see the future of every felon he gave clemency to. Give it a ****ing rest.
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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh what the **** man. Great lengths to remove a violent felon? You make it seem like Huckabee and this guy were great friends. Fact of the matter is Huckabee did what most people in his position and his beliefs would have done. He thought nobody should go to jail for 70-80 or even 100 years for beating somebody up when they were 17.

    I would have done the same thing. It's a bad judgement call but most people DO believe that the system can indeed work if given time and rehabilitation is possible. I am ****ing living proof that people can indeed change their ways. However, sometimes the system doesn't work and people don't change. Huckabee gave clemency to HUNDREDS of individuals and the percentage of them that never made themselves newsworthy vs. the percentage that did is a landslide. Will you hold your self righteous liberal cross to Huckabee's head for the number of people who didn't nearly 10 years later end up killing cops? Of course you won't.

    You act as if Huckabee had some magic ****ing crystal ball being able to see the future of every felon he gave clemency to. Give it a ****ing rest.
    He shouldn't be granting clemency to anyone, even if it was his right to do so....
    He drowned out the voice of the people's judgement, & the voices of the victim's as well......
    The animal should have stayed locked up.....
    I blame this state for dropping the ball, just as much, maybe more.....
    There should be astronomical bail for anyone arested after several felony convictions......

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    He shouldn't be granting clemency to anyone, even if it was his right to do so....
    He drowned out the voice of the people's judgement, & the voices of the victim's as well......
    The animal should have stayed locked up.....
    I blame this state for dropping the ball, just as much, maybe more.....
    There should be astronomical bail for anyone arested after several felony convictions......
    Playing devil's advocate....

    Didn't "The People" vote Huckabee into his position?

    Position that has the power to grant clemency?

    So couldn't it equally be said that The People Executive drowned out the Peoples judgement?

    Should he have instead dropped the Peoples Elbow...?

    Sorry, couldn't help it.

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You make it seem like Huckabee and this guy were great friends.
    I have no idea if Huckabee and Dumond were "great friends." What I do know is that Huckabee worked around the system, defied Arkansas law to hold secret meetings on the matter, and peddled his influence to get Dumond released.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Fact of the matter is Huckabee did what most people in his position and his beliefs would have done.
    Do you have some documentation to support this assertion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He thought nobody should go to jail for 70-80 or even 100 years for beating somebody up when they were 17.
    Dumond didn't "beat somebody up when he was 17."

    On August 8, 1972, DuMond was charged with murder in Lawton, Oklahoma where DuMond and two accomplices beat a man to death with a claw hammer. DuMond was 23.

    On October 19, 1973, DuMond was charged with molesting a teenage girl in the parking lot of a shopping center in Tacoma, Washington. DuMond was 24.

    On September 28, 1976, DuMond was charged with raping a woman in DeWitt, Arkansas. DuMond was 27.

    DuMond received his second sexual assault conviction from a rape perpetrated in Arkansas in 1984. The victim, Ashley Stevens, was a 17-year-old cheerleader. DuMond was 35.

    For these crimes, DuMond received a sentence of life plus 20 years. Lieutenant governor Jim Guy Tucker reduced the sentence to 39 years.

    THEN, when he became governor, Huckabee wrote a nice letter to DuMond:

    Huckabee, addressing DuMond as "Dear Wayne," wrote to DuMond in January 1997: "My desire is that you be released from prison." The letter explained why the governor had denied commutation but instead was recommending parole on the grounds that parole would result in supervision, which Huckabee was said to have felt was important.

    The details of how much assistance Huckabee provided to DuMond remain uncertain, in part because the governor met in "executive session" with five of the seven parole board members to discuss the issue, and the administrator who normally took notes was removed from the room. This is a violation of Arkansas law as such secret executive sessions are limited by statute to discussions regarding personnel decisions, specifically to avoid the appearance of undue influence from the Governor's office. --Wiki
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I would have done the same thing.
    Really? You would have released DuMond from prison because a sentence of 39 years for murder, child molestation, and two rapes is excessive?

    Wow.

    I guess I just have a lot more respect for the law (and more common sense) than you do.

    *shrug*

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You act as if Huckabee had some magic ****ing crystal ball being able to see the future of every felon he gave clemency to. Give it a ****ing rest.
    One does not need a magic ****ing crystal ball to know that a repeat rapist/child molester/murderer shouldn't be set free to commit more violent crimes.

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Playing devil's advocate....

    Didn't "The People" vote Huckabee into his position?

    Position that has the power to grant clemency?

    So couldn't it equally be said that The People Executive drowned out the Peoples judgement?

    Should he have instead dropped the Peoples Elbow...?

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Playing devil's advocate....

    Didn't "The People" vote Huckabee into his position?

    Position that has the power to grant clemency?

    So couldn't it equally be said that The People Executive drowned out the Peoples judgement?

    Should he have instead dropped the Peoples Elbow...?

    Sorry, couldn't help it.
    You are correct....
    This pardon business should be ended IMO.....
    At least he didn't sell pardons like some others....

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I have no idea if Huckabee and Dumond were "great friends." What I do know is that Huckabee worked around the system, defied Arkansas law to hold secret meetings on the matter, and peddled his influence to get Dumond released.



    Do you have some documentation to support this assertion?



    Dumond didn't "beat somebody up when he was 17."

    On August 8, 1972, DuMond was charged with murder in Lawton, Oklahoma where DuMond and two accomplices beat a man to death with a claw hammer. DuMond was 23.

    On October 19, 1973, DuMond was charged with molesting a teenage girl in the parking lot of a shopping center in Tacoma, Washington. DuMond was 24.

    On September 28, 1976, DuMond was charged with raping a woman in DeWitt, Arkansas. DuMond was 27.

    DuMond received his second sexual assault conviction from a rape perpetrated in Arkansas in 1984. The victim, Ashley Stevens, was a 17-year-old cheerleader. DuMond was 35.

    For these crimes, DuMond received a sentence of life plus 20 years. Lieutenant governor Jim Guy Tucker reduced the sentence to 39 years.

    THEN, when he became governor, Huckabee wrote a nice letter to DuMond:





    Really? You would have released DuMond from prison because a sentence of 39 years for murder, child molestation, and two rapes is excessive?

    Wow.

    I guess I just have a lot more respect for the law (and more common sense) than you do.

    *shrug*



    One does not need a magic ****ing crystal ball to know that a repeat rapist/child molester/murderer shouldn't be set free to commit more violent crimes.
    I take back the pardon selling comment after reading that.....

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    Re: Cop Killer was pardoned from a life sentence by Mike Huckabee 9 years ago

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    You're the one who has been lying texmaster.
    Either back that up or take it back.
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