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    34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    President Obama will outline Tuesday his intention to send an additional 34,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan, according to U.S. officials and diplomatic sources briefed Monday as Obama began informing allies of his plan.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    This will be his Vietnam. He can kiss any chance of having history look upon his presidency in a favorable light, goodbye.

    meet the new boss ..same as the old boss

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    This will be his Vietnam. He can kiss any chance of having history look upon his presidency in a favorable light, goodbye.

    meet the new boss ..same as the old boss
    Demonstrates both a perfect understanding of history and an unwillingness to jump to hysterics too early.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    This will be his Vietnam. He can kiss any chance of having history look upon his presidency in a favorable light, goodbye.

    meet the new boss ..same as the old boss
    I am so sick of the Vietnam comparisons..How long will people continue to reference Vietnam to EVERY single controversial decision that is made in warfare?

    I remember the opening days of OIF, when they took an operational pause to allow the supplies to catch up, all the news agencies were screaming Vietnam. The surge in Iraq, Vietnam. Opening days of OEF in Afghanistan, Vietnam. Fallujah, Vietnam. U.N headquarters bombing and subsequent withdrawal, Vietnam.

    This will not be Obama's Vietnam and the comparison to Vietnam doesn't hold water for a number of reasons.

    First and foremost being the geopolitical situation. The insurgents in Afghanistan don't have a large outside regional power providing them arms and supplies. Yea, they get some from Iran, Pakistan, etc, but no one is near as large of a player as China or the Soviet Union were.

    This war will lose popular support like Vietnam did, but I doubt it will become a major factor in the eventual withdraw of troops. Look at the casualty rate in Afghanistan over 8 years compared to a month in Vietnam. You just aren't going to see large-scale protest and Congressman worrying about re-election over Afghanistan.

    For time sake I won't go in to the differences militarily comparing the NVA and the Vietcong to the insurgents/Taliban, but they are hardly comparable.


    Please, take a second before you think you have a bright idea in referencing the last major war that America didn't have a favorable outcome in to the present situation.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    I am so sick of the Vietnam comparisons..How long will people continue to reference Vietnam to EVERY single controversial decision that is made in warfare?
    Just as long as we start wars that we can't win.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Just as long as we start wars that we can't win.
    I guess we started this war? What alternative do you think would've been appropriate, letting the Taliban stay in power after harboring an international terrorist organization that killed 3,000 of our citizens?
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Demonstrates both a perfect understanding of history and an unwillingness to jump to hysterics too early.
    Carry water much?
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    I guess we started this war? What alternative do you think would've been appropriate, letting the Taliban stay in power after harboring an international terrorist organization that killed 3,000 of our citizens?
    Bush's appropriate response to 9/11 should've been to send SOF after those responsible and kill them. No war, no troops deployed.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    I guess we started this war? What alternative do you think would've been appropriate, letting the Taliban stay in power after harboring an international terrorist organization that killed 3,000 of our citizens?
    Not that invading and taking over whole countries was ever the right answer, but Afghanistan and Iraq wouldn't have been my first choice:

    -Fifteen of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, trained and financing by yet another Saudi native Osama bin Laden.

    -The Saudi National Guard bombing in November 1995, which killed five Americans. All four of the men convicted and executed for the bombing were Saudis.

    -The Khobar Towers bombing in June 1996, which killed 19 Americans. Of the 14 men indicted by the U.S. Department of Justice for that bombing, 13 were Saudi Arabian, including all five of the men who drove and detonated the truck bomb on the day of the attack.

    -The Nairobi embassy bombing in August 1998, which killed 12 Americans. Both of the men who drove and detonated the truck bomb were Saudis.

    -The USS Cole bombing in October 2000, which killed 17 Americans. Both of the men who drove and detonated the explosives-laden boat used in that attack were Saudis.

    -The Riyadh residential compound bombings in May 2003, which killed nine Americans. All nine of the suicide bombers killed in the attacks were Saudis.

    -The Mosul mess tent bombing in December 2004, which killed 18 Americans. The lone suicide bomber responsible was identified in numerous press reports as a foreign insurgent from Saudi Arabia.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Unfortunately for your argument, sending in the SOF against specific targets with orders to terminate are against US law.

    Congress almost unanimously voted to go into Afghanistan. We did a good job, mostly with just Special Forces, and removed the Taliban from power and chased them back to their Pushton powerbase near the Pakistani border. Then we got distracted by our economy followed by Iraq which gave the Taliban time to reorganize, build a better alliance with the drug runners, and begin to push back.

    This 'surge' will supply the military commanders with enough strength to continue their attacks on the Taliban. The problem is with the non-military decisions. We have no coherent policy on what to do with the country for the long run. It is not truly a nation, so nation building would require a cultural change for the region - something that takes generations to achieve. So we have to do something else. I have not heard mention of anything other than nation building and this worries me.

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