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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That sounds awfully familiar. Where did we try that and it was a total cluster ****? Anyone remember?

    You don't shape events on the ground to a timeline, you shape a timeline to events on the ground.
    So we don't have a plan. I disagree. You go into a fight with a plan. Once we begin fighting and their are obvious flaws you change it.

    You don't go into a fight without a plan and just imporvise until you know exactly what to do.

    PBO did nothing, but give the Tallies an 18 month period to rest and reconstitute their forces, so as to launch a major offensive after there are enough American troops withdrawn from the theater to stop them.
    I would agree if we were giving them a rest, but we are not. I read somewhere today there will be 100,000 troops in afghanistan. We need to keep the pressure on them so when we pull out the taliban has not had the time or resources to create a major offensive. I would hope with this large of a force we could pull it off.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    So we don't have a plan. I disagree. You go into a fight with a plan. Once we begin fighting and their are obvious flaws you change it.

    You don't go into a fight without a plan and just imporvise until you know exactly what to do.
    There's an old saying in the service, "no plan survives first contact with the enemy".

    I don't doubt they have a plan and I agree that we shouldn't go in without a plan. But, the plan that PBO presented to us and the enemy is total BS and isn't going to work.



    I would agree if we were giving them a rest, but we are not. I read somewhere today there will be 100,000 troops in afghanistan. We need to keep the pressure on them so when we pull out the taliban has not had the time or resources to create a major offensive. I would hope with this large of a force we could pull it off.
    The Tallie are going to pull their most elite forces into places of sanctuary and conserve them until Allied forces leave Afghanistan. Don't believe me? Just wait till 24 months from now.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    The Tallie are going to pull their most elite forces into places of sanctuary and conserve them until Allied forces leave Afghanistan.

    assuming you are correct, which is a big assumption, would that not be good?

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by scottsoperson View Post
    The Tallie are going to pull their most elite forces into places of sanctuary and conserve them until Allied forces leave Afghanistan.

    assuming you are correct, which is a big assumption, would that not be good?
    No! It wouldn't.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No! It wouldn't.

    if the taliban's elite forces are not in afghanistan they will not kill as many of our troops.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No! It wouldn't.
    I'm starting to think that only nuclear carpet-bombing up in the mountains will take out the Taliban and al Qaeda. Yeah, radical and nuts....but frankly I'm tired of ****ing around with the sons of bitches.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by scottsoperson View Post
    assuming you are correct, which is a big assumption, would that not be good?
    It's only good if you feel like going back to Afghanistan a few years after we leave.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm starting to think that only nuclear carpet-bombing up in the mountains will take out the Taliban and al Qaeda. Yeah, radical and nuts....but frankly I'm tired of ****ing around with the sons of bitches.
    There are many people that feel the same way....I hear it every day from Conservatives and Liberals alike.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I mean, do you honestly believe that the United States will pull out if they have made zero headway in the war with the Taliban?

    Both administrations have been consistent with their justification for the Afghanistan war. It's what I call "Harvesting National Security". Do you believe that this administration will abandon the operation, if it's no favorable improvement in struggle against the extremists?

    I think you are implying partisanship unnecessarily in this objective.
    Depends if the move will politically help Obama. Obama is all about Obama

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Training the Afghans is not going to be the problem. They already know how to shoot (chances are they've shot at the US once or twice).

    The problem is that 18 months is going to be allotted time to re-wire their culture, and level the ethnic and cultural discrepancies in the Afghan population.

    Military tactics, and how to stand Rank-N-File doesn't take long (it's only a summers worth for Boot Camp in the US; and that's really all we want out of Afghan, privates.), it's going to be re-wiring the culture that's going to be the most pressing.
    No the pullout is to get votes for the election at that time.

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