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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

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    Of course not; my Dad would kill me . How much training does it require until a recruit turns into a deployable Marine?
    We're not talking about an individual, who is going to go through basic training and AIT, then to a line unit filled with several hundred years worth of experience. We're talking about a green army that has almost no experience operating as a cohesive combat unit.

    It's took years to build the Continental Army.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Of course not; my Dad would kill me . How much training does it require until a recruit turns into a deployable Marine?
    3 months basic training
    2 months School of Infantry
    1 month Marine Combat Training

    6 months training altogether.....But this doesnt make them deployable.They still have to complete courses in their respective fields which could take anywhere from 1 month to 6 months.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We're not talking about an individual, who is going to go through basic training and AIT, then to a line unit filled with several hundred years worth of experience. We're talking about a green army that has almost no experience operating as a cohesive combat unit.

    It's took years to build the Continental Army.
    Exactly right.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    3 months basic training
    2 months School of Infantry
    1 month Marine Combat Training

    6 months training altogether.....But this doesnt make them deployable.They still have to complete courses in their respective fields which could take anywhere from 1 month to 6 months.
    Okay. I was just curious.

    It's like comparing Apples to Oranges though. I bet none of y'all grew up the midst of constant warfare, like many of soldiers will have.

    I bet we can see a good amount of tribal militias being absorbed as the main-frame of this (doomed to fail) National army.


    There's very little, other than providing training for weaponry (which I pray to God we don't) that the US should be expected to do as far as training.

    it's not like the Taliban and A.Q. learned to compete with NATO through military training from a third party.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

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    It's like comparing Apples to Oranges though. I bet none of y'all grew up the midst of constant warfare, like many of soldiers will have.
    How many of them have had real leadership training? Tactical training? Weapons training? You make it sound simple, but it's not.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post


    How many of them have had real leadership training? Tactical training? Weapons training? You make it sound simple, but it's not.
    That question is so far above my pay-grade.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    3 months basic training
    2 months School of Infantry
    1 month Marine Combat Training

    6 months training altogether.....But this doesnt make them deployable.They still have to complete courses in their respective fields which could take anywhere from 1 month to 6 months.
    A Marine whose military occupational speciality (MOS) is infantry doesn't go through MCT. Just School of Infantry.

    So 13 weeks of bootcamp, then 52 training days at SOI. From there the Marine goes to the Fleet Marine Corps, where they will be assigned to an infantry battalion.

    Depending on the deployment schedule of the unit he just joined he will go through weekly field ops, classes, and various other training assignments for a certain amount of time. Some of my buddies at SOI went straight from infantry school to units that were being deployed to Iraq a month later. Others caught the ass end of a deployment schedule and got the full 7 months to be part of what is known as the 'build up' for a deployment.


    This whole process cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $250k..I think.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    A Marine whose military occupational speciality (MOS) is infantry doesn't go through MCT. Just School of Infantry.

    So 13 weeks of bootcamp, then 52 training days at SOI. From there the Marine goes to the Fleet Marine Corps, where they will be assigned to an infantry battalion.

    Depending on the deployment schedule of the unit he just joined he will go through weekly field ops, classes, and various other training assignments for a certain amount of time. Some of my buddies at SOI went straight from infantry school to units that were being deployed to Iraq a month later. Others caught the ass end of a deployment schedule and got the full 7 months to be part of what is known as the 'build up' for a deployment.


    This whole process cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $250k..I think.
    Thanks for the correction,I used wikipedia....should've used a better source.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Okay. I was just curious.

    It's like comparing Apples to Oranges though. I bet none of y'all grew up the midst of constant warfare, like many of soldiers will have.

    I bet we can see a good amount of tribal militias being absorbed as the main-frame of this (doomed to fail) National army.


    There's very little, other than providing training for weaponry (which I pray to God we don't) that the US should be expected to do as far as training.

    it's not like the Taliban and A.Q. learned to compete with NATO through military training from a third party.
    Actually growing up in the middle of the war would probably be a greater hinderance than a benefit as far as developing bad habits, thinking you know it all.. etc.

    Some of the best shots in the Marine Corps were those who had never fired a rifle before, due to the fact they were a blank slate and easy to train in accordance with what has been shown to work.

    The U.S should be doing much more than training how to use weaponary. That actually should be one of the lowest priorities. Leadership training, tactical movement, discipline, attention to detail, etc should all come first. Weapons training is relatively easy to learn.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Actually growing up in the middle of the war would probably be a greater hinderance than a benefit as far as developing bad habits, thinking you know it all.. etc.

    Some of the best shots in the Marine Corps were those who had never fired a rifle before, due to the fact they were a blank slate and easy to train in accordance with what has been shown to work.

    The U.S should be doing much more than training how to use weaponary. That actually should be one of the lowest priorities. Leadership training, tactical movement, discipline, attention to detail, etc should all come first. Weapons training is relatively easy to learn.
    Yeah sometimes I just don't know wtf I'm talking about. Military training is one of them .
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