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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

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    I was not aware that the time table was "set it stone", as it goes.
    Right here.

    After the briefing, Gibbs went to the president for clarification. Gibbs then called me to his office to relate what the president said. The president told him it IS locked in there is no flexibility. Troops WILL start coming home in July 2011. Period. It's etched in stone. Gibbs said he even had the chisel.

    White House: July 2011 Is Locked In for Afghanistan Withdrawal - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

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    Right here.
    Ah. I wasn't aware of that article.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right here.
    Good. It's good to have a timetable for our withdrawal, so we aren't stuck there forever. If Afghanistan can't pull its own weight by then, there wouldn't be much hope for us to achieve anything there.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, when we leave, the Taliban comes out of hiding and it's business as usual. What did we accomplish?

    If you get into a fist fight with someone and you tell him that you're going to hit him four times and stop figting, what's he going to do? He's going to let you hit him four times and then kick your ass.

    I find it really hard to believe, not to mention very disheartening, that we've waited all this time for PBO to make a decison and it took this long to come of with this stupid ass decision.
    First off horrible analogy. I know how to kill a guy in three hits. Second off, if the Taliban doesn't attack us until we pull out, then that gives us a whole lot of room to train a competent Afghan army.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Good. It's good to have a timetable for our withdrawal, so we aren't stuck there forever. If Afghanistan can't pull its own weight by then, there wouldn't be much hope for us to achieve anything there.
    So, you are going along with the idiocy? You're probably looking to calling defeat.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    First off horrible analogy. I know how to kill a guy in three hits. Second off, if the Taliban doesn't attack us until we pull out, then that gives us a whole lot of room to train a competent Afghan army.

    In 18 months? You know nothing about military operations, do you?
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    then that gives us a whole lot of room to train a competent Afghan army.


    I got news for ya.....The Soviets spent 10 years training an Afghan Army and never succeeded.

    America has spent 8 years training an Afghan Army and hasn't done much better.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In 18 months? You know nothing about military operations, do you?
    Training the Afghans is not going to be the problem. They already know how to shoot (chances are they've shot at the US once or twice).

    The problem is that 18 months is going to be allotted time to re-wire their culture, and level the ethnic and cultural discrepancies in the Afghan population.

    Military tactics, and how to stand Rank-N-File doesn't take long (it's only a summers worth for Boot Camp in the US; and that's really all we want out of Afghan, privates.), it's going to be re-wiring the culture that's going to be the most pressing.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Training the Afghans is not going to be the problem. They already know how to shoot (chances are they've shot at the US once or twice).

    The problem is that 18 months is going to be allotted time to re-wire their culture, and level the ethnic and cultural discrepancies in the Afghan population.

    Military tactics, and how to stand Rank-N-File doesn't take long (it's only a summers worth for Boot Camp in the US; and that's really all we want out of Afghan, privates.), it's going to be re-wiring the culture that's going to be the most pressing.

    You were never in the service, either. Were you? Please, tell me you don't really believe that that's all there is to it.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You were never in the service, either. Were you? Please, tell me you don't really believe that that's all there is to it.
    Of course not; my Dad would kill me . How much training does it require until a recruit turns into a deployable Marine?
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