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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by scottsoperson View Post
    i've always wondered about that anti-timeline thing. so the taliban will now just sit back and do nothing for 18 months? so they won't kill our troops for 18 months? that would be good.
    And, when we leave, the Taliban comes out of hiding and it's business as usual. What did we accomplish?

    If you get into a fist fight with someone and you tell him that you're going to hit him four times and stop figting, what's he going to do? He's going to let you hit him four times and then kick your ass.

    I find it really hard to believe, not to mention very disheartening, that we've waited all this time for PBO to make a decison and it took this long to come of with this stupid ass decision.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    And, when we leave, the Taliban comes out of hiding and it's business as usual. What did we accomplish?
    Well, in theory, the Taliban would not be the dominant force in Afghanistan when they come out of hiding. This would be because a major component to the plan is to strengthen the afghan army. With a strengthened army the afghans can hold off the Taliban itself, without the U.S, and the US troops can withdraw and allow them to. To give not only us, but the afghan army a sense of urgency, or a need to get this done now we set a date for withdraw. How is this a dumb plan?

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Well, in theory, the Taliban would not be the dominant force in Afghanistan when they come out of hiding. This would be because a major component to the plan is to strengthen the afghan army. With a strengthened army the afghans can hold off the Taliban itself, without the U.S, and the US troops can withdraw and allow them to. To give not only us, but the afghan army a sense of urgency, or a need to get this done now we set a date for withdraw. How is this a dumb plan?
    That sounds awfully familiar. Where did we try that and it was a total cluster ****? Anyone remember?

    You don't shape events on the ground to a timeline, you shape a timeline to events on the ground.

    PBO did nothing, but give the Tallies an 18 month period to rest and reconstitute their forces, so as to launch a major offensive after there are enough American troops withdrawn from the theater to stop them.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That sounds awfully familiar. Where did we try that and it was a total cluster ****? Anyone remember?

    You don't shape events on the ground to a timeline, you shape a timeline to events on the ground.

    PBO did nothing, but give the Tallies an 18 month period to rest and reconstitute their forces, so as to launch a major offensive after there are enough American troops withdrawn from the theater to stop them.
    Not true. Taliban and A.Q. is unusually busy for this time of year. I don't think they are going to buckle down. We just have to out fox them.
    It's strange how often people forget that the Taliban/AQ doesn't fight conventionally. Their tactics are ambushes, suicide bombings, and IEDs. A larger troop force will only barely deter their attacks.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Not true. Taliban and A.Q. is unusually busy for this time of year. I don't think they are going to buckle down. We just have to out fox them.
    It's strange how often people forget that the Taliban/AQ doesn't fight conventionally. Their tactics are ambushes, suicide bombings, and IEDs. A larger troop force will only barely deter their attacks.

    They can't sustain those tactics and succeed. At some point they must transition to main force actions.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They can't sustain those tactics and succeed. At some point they must transition to main force actions.
    I disagree. Taliban and A.Q. is currently feeding off of refugee and other poor people within Pasthun controlled Kandahar/ South Afghanistan, Pakistan-Afghan borders, rural Pakistan.

    We don't know the extent, but one can only assume that the Taliban/A.Q. is receiving help in the form of weapons from Iran, the ISI, Pakistan Military, Pashtun sympathizers, elements within Tajik and Uzbek populations (and their -stans) and possibly China.

    Hell, the Pakistani military led operations in Khyber to bust up Lashkar-e-Islam, where
    Fayyaz also claimed that the military found evidence that India was providing weapons to the Lashkar-e-Islam
    I feel that we're also the third party in a proxy war between India and Pakistan, as it were.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I disagree. Taliban and A.Q. is currently feeding off of refugee and other poor people within Pasthun controlled Kandahar/ South Afghanistan, Pakistan-Afghan borders, rural Pakistan.

    We don't know the extent, but one can only assume that the Taliban/A.Q. is receiving help in the form of weapons from Iran, the ISI, Pakistan Military, Pashtun sympathizers, elements within Tajik and Uzbek populations (and their -stans) and possibly China.

    Hell, the Pakistani military led operations in Khyber to bust up Lashkar-e-Islam, where


    I feel that we're also the third party in a proxy war between India and Pakistan, as it were.
    And, now all they have to do is launch token attacks at Allied forces, all the while conserving their main force units for the big push as the Allies leave the theater of operations. This is what you call history repeating itself.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, now all they have to do is launch token attacks at Allied forces, all the while conserving their main force units for the big push as the Allies leave the theater of operations. This is what you call history repeating itself.
    I mean, do you honestly believe that the United States will pull out if they have made zero headway in the war with the Taliban?

    Both administrations have been consistent with their justification for the Afghanistan war. It's what I call "Harvesting National Security". Do you believe that this administration will abandon the operation, if it's no favorable improvement in struggle against the extremists?

    I think you are implying partisanship unnecessarily in this objective.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I mean, do you honestly believe that the United States will pull out if they have made zero headway in the war with the Taliban?
    Both administrations have been consistent with their justification for the Afghanistan war. It's what I call "Harvesting National Security". Do you believe that this administration will abandon the operation, if it's no favorable improvement in struggle against the extremists?

    I think you are implying partisanship unnecessarily in this objective.[/QUOTE]


    PBO says we will. He stated with no ambiguity that we're outta there by the summer of '11. The bad guys were watching TV last night, ya know. They heard him say it, too. He sent them a clear message to just chill and wait for us to leave.

    The One set a hard timetable. All the enemy has to do is lay low, give the impression of inactivity and wait for us to leave. Then, the blood bath begins.

    After telling everybody that we're definitely hauling ass in 18 months, how much real cooperation do you think we're going to get from the locals? They're saying right now, "You're leaving in 18 months. The Tallies are still going to be here...**** you!"

    Words to describe this diabolically idiotic plan escape me right now.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    PBO says we will. He stated with no ambiguity that we're outta there by the summer of '11. The bad guys were watching TV last night, ya know. They heard him say it, too. He sent them a clear message to just chill and wait for us to leave.

    The One set a hard timetable. All the enemy has to do is lay low, give the impression of inactivity and wait for us to leave. Then, the blood bath begins.

    After telling everybody that we're definitely hauling ass in 18 months, how much real cooperation do you think we're going to get from the locals? They're saying right now, "You're leaving in 18 months. The Tallies are still going to be here...**** you!"

    Words to describe this diabolically idiotic plan escape me right now.
    I was not aware that the time table was "set it stone", as it goes.
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