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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    i've always wondered about that anti-timeline thing. so the taliban will now just sit back and do nothing for 18 months? so they won't kill our troops for 18 months? that would be good.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Don't make me put you on ignore. The overhaul of Iraq last I recall actually started in late 2006. And much of the blame can be put on Rummy in Iraq. In Afghanistan, the overhaul started in late 2008 and reasonably could be argued because Bush's focus was on Iraq. Once Iraq got to a point of decent chance of success, then focus shifted.
    Bush adopted the Petreu's playbook because he couldn't come up with any more stupid ideas on his own. Bush was simply too dumb to be President.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Sure, just go shoot all the people in Al Quaida and radical Taliban uniforms and be done.
    That's the ticket...over simplifying the matter just to get your partisian jabs in.

    I think the President has made the right call here. And if the only issue those of the opposition has is with the timeline for withdrawal, then I'd have to say you agree with him, too. You just don't want to admit it.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by scottsoperson View Post
    i've always wondered about that anti-timeline thing. so the taliban will now just sit back and do nothing for 18 months? so they won't kill our troops for 18 months? that would be good.
    Conservatives find it amusing to watch our boys die, boo.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Amusingly this is likely caused by the increasing number of deaths which is directly related to placing more soldiers out in the field to actually conduct proper COIN. Even more amusing is that such a strategy is almost entirely lifted from General Petreaus's playbook and that was proven to be effective. Obama is following Bush and people are starting to dislike him for it.

    But how many partisans are willing to admit that?
    Hell, I'll admit it! When GW Bush finally started paying attention to his field commanders and implimented a military strategy coupled with the nation building that Iraq needed (because we removed Saddam and the Iraqi government from power), yes, I jumped onboard and backed the surge but only when I saw it was having a positive impact. Pres. Obama, in all truth, is adopting a similar strategy. The only difference here is Pres. Obama has an exit strategy, whereas former Pres. GW Bush did not.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Erod,

    The rationale for a timeline was given, I think, for three reasons:

    1. to ease the minds of Americans, our military, our allies and Congress that the military objective should be at its conclusion within a "reasonable" period of time. The President was correct in assessing that people domestically and abroad (our allies in this fight) are nervous about committing more troops and money to this cause. Therefore, the President, as the allied NATO leader in this War on Terror, had to reassure America if not the world that he plans to put an end to this war effort in the foreseeable future.

    2. NATO and our allies needed to know that although we are committed to this fight, we have not intenstion of being there forever. The shorter timeline w/resolved behind it leave room for those nations who have been sitting on the fence to reconsider their level of involvement or non-involvement. Some will likely say, "Since we haven't been involved in this matter we'll continue to stay out of it and watch from the sidelines," but others may say "Since you're staying the course but moving in a different, more define direction and you've provided a viable timeline for withdrawl, we'll commit to (____, be it financial aid or more troops) and help see you through this to its conclusion".

    3. To reassure the Afghan people that we're not occupiers and will leave their country as long as they step up and play a hand in helping us win the fight.

    All three were critical!!! And thus, the reason issuing a timeline was so very important. Unfortunately, so many people have gotten so hung up on this one aspect they don't stop to think of the wider ranging implications. Thus, the narrow point of view tends to be, "why give the enemy a reason to sit back, wait us out and regroup?" Well, if your military does their job right, there shouldn't be a remnant of Al Quaida or radical Taliban remaining.
    You forgot to keep the far left on his side and notice the cut and run is during the election year. As always with Obama it is politics and how he will benefit.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Hell, I'll admit it! When GW Bush finally started paying attention to his field commanders and implimented a military strategy coupled with the nation building that Iraq needed (because we removed Saddam and the Iraqi government from power), yes, I jumped onboard and backed the surge but only when I saw it was having a positive impact. Pres. Obama, in all truth, is adopting a similar strategy. The only difference here is Pres. Obama has an exit strategy, whereas former Pres. GW Bush did not.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    Conservatives find it amusing to watch our boys die, boo.
    And Whip Comes Down finds it amusing to act the part of simpleton.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Erod,

    The rationale for a timeline was given, I think, for three reasons:

    1. to ease the minds of Americans, our military, our allies and Congress that the military objective should be at its conclusion within a "reasonable" period of time. The President was correct in assessing that people domestically and abroad (our allies in this fight) are nervous about committing more troops and money to this cause. Therefore, the President, as the allied NATO leader in this War on Terror, had to reassure America if not the world that he plans to put an end to this war effort in the foreseeable future.

    2. NATO and our allies needed to know that although we are committed to this fight, we have not intenstion of being there forever. The shorter timeline w/resolved behind it leave room for those nations who have been sitting on the fence to reconsider their level of involvement or non-involvement. Some will likely say, "Since we haven't been involved in this matter we'll continue to stay out of it and watch from the sidelines," but others may say "Since you're staying the course but moving in a different, more define direction and you've provided a viable timeline for withdrawl, we'll commit to (____, be it financial aid or more troops) and help see you through this to its conclusion".

    3. To reassure the Afghan people that we're not occupiers and will leave their country as long as they step up and play a hand in helping us win the fight.

    All three were critical!!! And thus, the reason issuing a timeline was so very important. Unfortunately, so many people have gotten so hung up on this one aspect they don't stop to think of the wider ranging implications. Thus, the narrow point of view tends to be, "why give the enemy a reason to sit back, wait us out and regroup?" Well, if your military does their job right, there shouldn't be a remnant of Al Quaida or radical Taliban remaining.
    You forgot point no.4

    4. To coincide with campaigning for re-election.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    You forgot point no.4

    4. To coincide with campaigning for re-election.
    Yes,that is rather convienient.
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