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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Winning is such a dirty thing these days.


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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Winning is such a dirty thing these days.


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    Define "winning."

    What criteria do you have to evaluate if we are winning?
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Winning is such a dirty thing these days.


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    What exactly would a win in Afghanistan look like, boo dog?

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    i don't think we are going to win in afghanistan. but general mccrystal says we should reach out to the muslims. i agree with that.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    we "won" in iraq by paying the insurgents.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Amusingly this is likely caused by the increasing number of deaths which is directly related to placing more soldiers out in the field to actually conduct proper COIN. Even more amusing is that such a strategy is almost entirely lifted from General Petreaus's playbook and that was proven to be effective. Obama is following Bush and people are starting to dislike him for it.

    But how many partisans are willing to admit that?
    It took Bush six years to adopt General Petreaus's playbook, because Bush enjoyed seeing our boys die for his amusement.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Comes Down View Post
    It took Bush six years to adopt General Petreaus's playbook, because Bush enjoyed seeing our boys die for his amusement.
    Don't make me put you on ignore. The overhaul of Iraq last I recall actually started in late 2006. And much of the blame can be put on Rummy in Iraq. In Afghanistan, the overhaul started in late 2008 and reasonably could be argued because Bush's focus was on Iraq. Once Iraq got to a point of decent chance of success, then focus shifted.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Don't make me put you on ignore. The overhaul of Iraq last I recall actually started in late 2006. And much of the blame can be put on Rummy in Iraq. In Afghanistan, the overhaul started in late 2008 and reasonably could be argued because Bush's focus was on Iraq. Once Iraq got to a point of decent chance of success, then focus shifted.
    according to my memory, bush did not change course until after the 06 election and the firing of rummy.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Obama is following Bush and people are starting to dislike him for it.
    I agree,only difference is that Bush didn't have a timeline.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    I agree,only difference is that Bush didn't have a timeline.
    Which is actually worse as accountability goes down without a unit of measure. At least we can judge Obama over his stated time line in Afghanistan. Bush had 7 years and largely did nothing after the invasion. Granted, I understand why he never deal with the primary issue of lack of development, because there really isn't anything other then opium, but that doesn't excuse the lack of decision on his part. While doing nothing is on occasion is better then doing something, not when it ensures we'll be fielding troops in Afghanistan for decades.
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