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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I think the biggest question that needs to be revisted is whether or not Afghanistan is central to our security. I am giving the Government the benefit of the doubt on this one, and will believe it.

    We mustn't forget the absurdity of this concept that I call "Harvesting National Security". We have our military personnel in Afghanistan in order, allegedly, to keep America safe. This promotes the idea that "Security" is something we can go and get. We must realize that A.Q. is highly capable of large scale destruction, but it is also a parasite; meaning it has to rely on the failures elsewhere for it's plans to be carried out.

    Just a thought.
    One worth considering.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

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    Overraction indeed.

    He gave two addresses in one. One to the Americans and one to Afghanistan. He made some really smart decisions in the address, but people were ready to bitch over every little detail-- I sure as hell was ready.
    The nut of the whole thing is Pakistan. I thought he failed to address that. Afghanistan is basically spillover land for the ne'er-do-wells of Pakistan.

    I was ready to give him somewhat of a pass having sent the troops. What I didn't want was a timeline, or a bashing of Bush or the U.S. in general.

    I hated the "we're not as innocent as we once were" remark about America.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The nut of the whole thing is Pakistan. I thought he failed to address that. Afghanistan is basically spillover land for the ne'er-do-wells of Pakistan.
    Agreed.
    I was ready to give him somewhat of a pass having sent the troops. What I didn't want was a timeline, or a bashing of Bush or the U.S. in general.
    Well, it's very much in his interest to keep Bush in everyone's mind so it doesn't make it seem like any mishaps in the "War on Extremism" (which is actually Rumsfeld's term) is entirely his fault.

    I hated the "we're not as innocent as we once were" remark about America.
    That's unfortunate, but nobody thinks America is innocent. I mean, we've been around the block once or twice.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

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    That's unfortunate, but nobody thinks America is innocent. I mean, we've been around the block once or twice.
    But what president of any country EVER says such things. All this bowing and apologizing is not only unnecessary, it's dangerous in my opinion.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

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    But what president of any country EVER says such things. All this bowing and apologizing is not only unnecessary, it's dangerous in my opinion.
    Nah. Everybody agrees that the US President is full of ****.

    It's never the public figure-head that makes the call, it's the nerds behind the scenes. That is why you find so many conspriacy theorists not of the American elk.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Erod,

    The rationale for a timeline was given, I think, for three reasons:

    1. to ease the minds of Americans, our military, our allies and Congress that the military objective should be at its conclusion within a "reasonable" period of time. The President was correct in assessing that people domestically and abroad (our allies in this fight) are nervous about committing more troops and money to this cause. Therefore, the President, as the allied NATO leader in this War on Terror, had to reassure America if not the world that he plans to put an end to this war effort in the foreseeable future.

    2. NATO and our allies needed to know that although we are committed to this fight, we have not intenstion of being there forever. The shorter timeline w/resolved behind it leave room for those nations who have been sitting on the fence to reconsider their level of involvement or non-involvement. Some will likely say, "Since we haven't been involved in this matter we'll continue to stay out of it and watch from the sidelines," but others may say "Since you're staying the course but moving in a different, more define direction and you've provided a viable timeline for withdrawl, we'll commit to (____, be it financial aid or more troops) and help see you through this to its conclusion".

    3. To reassure the Afghan people that we're not occupiers and will leave their country as long as they step up and play a hand in helping us win the fight.

    All three were critical!!! And thus, the reason issuing a timeline was so very important. Unfortunately, so many people have gotten so hung up on this one aspect they don't stop to think of the wider ranging implications. Thus, the narrow point of view tends to be, "why give the enemy a reason to sit back, wait us out and regroup?" Well, if your military does their job right, there shouldn't be a remnant of Al Quaida or radical Taliban remaining.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Unfortunately, so many people have gotten so hung up on this one aspect they don't stop to think of the wider ranging implications. Thus, the narrow point of view tends to be, "why give the enemy a reason to sit back, wait us out and regroup?" Well, if your military does their job right, there shouldn't be a remnant of Al Quaida or radical Taliban remaining.
    The 'tell them how long we'll be there anr thery will sit back and wait" criticism is completely valid. No reason for them to do anything different.

    And, noted before, the REAL problem here is the sentiment that Afghanistan is critical to our security and if we fail there we’ll be in a world of hurt... but if we cannot win in 18 months, its too hard, so we’ll leave.

    Either the objective is critical or it isn't. If it is, you stay until you achieve it or you are -forced- to leave.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Erod,

    The rationale for a timeline was given, I think, for three reasons:

    1) to ease the minds of Americans, our military, our allies and Congress that the military objective should be at its conclusion within a "reasonable" period of time. The President was correct in assessing that people domestically and abroad (our allies in this fight) are nervous about committing more troops and money to this cause. Therefore, the President, as the allied NATO leader in this War on Terror, had to reassure America if not the world that he plans to put an end to this war effort in the foreseeable future.

    2. NATO and our allies needed to know that although we are committed to this fight, we have not intenstion of being there forever. The shorter timeline w/resolved behind it leave room for those nations who have been sitting on the fence to reconsider their level of involvement or non-involvement. Some will likely say, "Since we haven't been involved in this matter we'll continue to stay out of it and watch from the sidelines," but others may say "Since you're staying the course but moving in a different, more define direction and you've provided a viable timeline for withdrawl, we'll commit to (____, be it financial aid or more troops) and help see you through this to its conclusion".

    3. To reassure the Afghan people that we're not occupiers and will leave their country as long as they step up and play a hand in helping us win the fight.

    All three were critical!!! And thus, the reason issuing a timeline was so very important. Unfortunately, so many people have gotten so hung up on this one aspect they don't stop to think of the wider ranging implications. Thus, the narrow point of view tends to be, "why give the enemy a reason to sit back, wait us out and regroup?" Well, if your military does their job right, there shouldn't be a remnant of Al Quaida or radical Taliban remaining.
    1. Some Americans want to win, some want out. He needs to choose, and there's no way he can put a timeline on it. Does he really think this thing will be all wrapped up in 12 months?

    2. I don't think the rest of the world cares how long we're in this wasteland of a country, and I think they're relieved that we have the gonads to fight when they obviously don't.

    3. Even Christiane Amonpour (sp?) said the Afghans love that we're there. They're more afraid of us leaving than staying.

    Rest assured, I don't think this is easy no matter who the president is, but you don't speak politically about war, period. Love him or hate him, Bush never did. He spoke on behalf of the military's purpose, not the politicians who threw barbs.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Unfortunately, this timeline is the Afghanistan version of declaring victory and getting out.

    I was also disappointed about the lack of discussion around Pakistan, cooperation, and the safe havens.

    All in all, not a commitment to COIN long-term.

    We just lost Afghanistan.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    I don't think so. But hell, we gave GW Bush 7 freakin' years! Can we atleast give President Obama 18 months before calling the battle a total and complete defeat?

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