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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Unless he's got some master development plan to overhaul COIN in Afghanistan, this is going to be a waste of time.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Unless he's got some master development plan to overhaul COIN in Afghanistan, this is going to be a waste of time.
    Yea, we'll see. I have faith in our military.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Good speech, Mr. President. Some things I could have done without but the overall tone was good enough. I don't like the time-table, but that's not set in stone...


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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Good speech, Mr. President. Some things I could have done without but the overall tone was good enough. I don't like the time-table, but that's not set in stone...

    Indeed. Well said, well said.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Unless he's got some master development plan to overhaul COIN in Afghanistan, this is going to be a waste of time.
    Unless he plans on neutralizing the enemy, nothing will change.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Do what you want. I'll be supporting our President in his efforts to defend the United States from its enemies.

    And you'll be doing this by offering to pay for it with tax increases?

    War ain't cheap, fella.

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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yea, we'll see. I have faith in our military.
    Military alone will not solve Afghanistan's problems. Furthermore, if we actually want to get out of their any time soon, there has to be a sustainable economic development path. Even if we just go and kill everyone as Apdst wants us to, people will eventually move back in and without economic conditions to provide better opportunities for people, they will revert to Afghanistan circa 1999.

    I keep bringing up how Bush never dealt with this problem in 7 years. I really doubt Obama has a viable plan here. Iraq worked because economic opportunities arose. Much the same for Malaya and many other successful COIN operations. Thus begs the question, what can Afghanistan export to provide sufficient revenues?
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Unless he plans on neutralizing the enemy, nothing will change.
    Still pretending that military alone will solve the problem eh?

    And I see you constantly run away from historical examples showing where pure military failed.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    This policy makes no sense to me from Obama's standpoint.
    If your general asks for 40,000 and you are willing to send 35,000 (or 30,000) why not just go ahead and send the 40,000?
    At 30-35 if the offensive fails, he gets blamed because he didn't send the troops that were requested.
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    Re: 34,000 troops will be sent to Afghanistan

    Although I have reservations about the outlined plan (too much reliance on Kabul/Hamid Karzai, reliance on a weak and corrupt government in Pakistan, and an announced timetable when such a timetable should have been kept private), I very much hope that the plan will bring about lasting improvements in stability in Afghanistan. Certainly, its major objectives of denying the Al Qaeda terrorist organization a safehaven in Afghanistan and reversing the military gains achieved by the Taliban in its counteroffensive are urgent, important and well-focused. Nonetheless, I believe the challenges ahead are steep and the work ahead will be difficult to say the least.

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